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Old 07-31-2011, 08:17 AM   #98
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You're ignoring the mega trends that are driving this behavior. "mega trends"

The middle class in China didn't rise simply because US companies were looking for cheap labor I don't think I ever mentioned cheap labor....I said better business environments which include the overall cost of labor as well as regulation and taxation.

Perhaps the USA's most successful export has been the American Dream. you mean capitalism, because that's what is creating these jobs and expanding the middle class abroad

People in countries like China have determined they deserve better, are educating themselves and their Government has changed it's behavior to help enable this change.

huh?

The 2011 crackdown on dissidents in the People's Republic of China refers to the arrest of dozens of mainland Chinese rights lawyers, activists and grassroots agitators who have been detained or have lost contact with friends and relatives is the response from the government of the People's Republic of China to the 2011 Chinese protests.[1][2][3][4][5] Since then, at least 54 Chinese activists have been arrested or detained by authorities in the biggest crackdown on dissent since the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.[6][7] Since the start of the protests in mid-February 2011, human rights groups have claimed that more than 54 people have been arrested by authorities, some of whom have been charged with crimes. Among those arrested are bloggers who criticise the government such as Ai Weiwei, lawyers who pursue cases against the government, and human rights activists.
China official warns of domestic unrest and "hostile" West

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February 20, 2011.

BEIJING (Reuters)
- The Chinese government faces a turbulent time of domestic unrest and challenges from "hostile Western forces" that it will fight with more sophisticated controls, a Communist Party law-and-order official said.

Chen Jiping, deputy secretary general of the Communist Party's Political and Legal Affairs Committee, gave the toughly worded warning in this week's issue of Outlook Weekly, and blamed Western democratic countries for fomenting unrest.

"The schemes of some hostile Western forces attempting to Western and split us are intensifying, and they are waving the banner of defending rights to meddle in domestic conflicts and maliciously create all kinds of incidents," Chen told the magazine, which is published by the official Xinhua news agency.

"Mass incidents continue at a high rate," Chen said, using the Party euphemism for protests, riots, strikes and mass petitions.

"Our country is in a period of magnified conflicts within the populace, high crime rates and complex struggle against foes, and these features are most unlikely to change any time soon," he said. The magazine reached subscribers on Tuesday.

To counter such worries, Chinese leaders have promoted more of the stringent security steps that they brandished over the weekend, when police snuffed out feeble attempts to emulate the "Jasmine Revolution" street protests that have bloomed across the Middle East.

Chen said the government was honing policies to defuse and smother unrest and crime. Those policies include more monitoring of citizens to nip threats in the bud.

"That will include comprehensive roll-out of a social stability risk assessment system that covers major projects and policies that have a direct bearing on public interests," he said.




China Intensifies CrackdownJul 26, 2011 • By DANIEL HALPER

The New York Times reports that "China already has some of the world’s most far-reaching online restrictions," and now it's getting worse.

New regulations that require bars, restaurants, hotels and bookstores to install costly Web monitoring software are prompting many businesses to cut Internet access and sending a chill through the capital’s game-playing, Web-grazing literati who have come to expect free Wi-Fi with their lattes and green tea.

The software, which costs businesses about $3,100, provides public security officials the identities of those logging on to the wireless service of a restaurant, cafe or private school and monitors their Web activity. Those who ignore the regulation and provide unfettered access face a $2,300 fine and the possible revocation of their business license.

The new measures are supposedly meant to allow the Chinese authorities to crackdown on crime, but will instead allow the Communist government to suppress freedom more easily. This renewed crackdown is apparently in response to the Arab Spring, which has been a poignant reminder to the Chinese government that repressed people eventually seek freedom.

The renewed crackdown is, in a way, a tacit admission of guilt, or at least a self-acknowledgment that the way the Chinese govern is similar to the way Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad governs (and the way Hosni Mubarak governed Egyptians, etc.), and that the way the Chinese people are treated by their government is similar to the way the Syrians are treated by theirs.


The influx of US jobs is certainly a factor, but before that you have a craving for cheaply made stuff that started the ball rolling in the first place. actually, it was a lot of the same stuff...just made cheaplier...and in many cases.....better and for a fraction of the cost

It's a hell of a lot more complicated than just Obama and the corporate tax rate. right, there's the threat of Card Check and other Union strongarming, the Healthcare debacle, the insainty coming out of the EPA and other agencies and Czars



Don't discount how hungry the young professional class in these emerging nations are to educate themselves and be successful.why would I discount that? I believe that is the natural state of humanity until you become convinced by someone from government that you should depend on them for everything

We're seeing more of this now in North Africa, Iran and likely in more countries who have lived for the past 1/2 century behind closed doors. and why is that?

Corporations have to manage their assets and resources against variable risks see aboveto deliver shareholder value. I'm sure every exec would love to have a low and stable corporate tax rate. But that doesn't mean they're going to turn that benefit into US jobs or value to the US consumer. couple with some other factors, they might In a very competitive GLOBAL marketplace they're going to continue to look for any advantage to capture market share again...brilliant!!...and as SM36 mentioned, the high growth opportunities are for the most part not in the US today.do I need to repeat why?

If we're smart, educate our kids and keep the innovative spirit of America going...we'll be fine in the long run Hope and Change?...but we may not dominate like some feel we're entitled to. huh?
-spence
great stuff spence

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