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Originally Posted by wdmso
Seems some draw conclusions that are not there
Gross domestic product
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2.448 trillion USD they are the 6th largest economy in the world Some just see GDP
California’s GDP, at 2.448 trillion dollars is 80% larger that Russia’s GDP, at 1.3 trillion dollars.
You're the one who "just see[s] GDP." You don't apply to California your accusation that corporations and banks are fleecing America. Or else, you seem to be saying that "California" produced the GDP, not the businesses, corporations and banks that operate in California.
Are you saying that California's banks and corporations are pure of heart and practice, and so they are adding to and producing huge GDP numbers without doing any fleecing? (Whatever it is you mean by fleecing.) Can you be specific about this fleecing business and tell us how California's GDP is not tainted by it? If you can't do that, and still maintain that corporations and banks are fleecing this country, then, if the "fleecing" truly exists, California leads the way in fleecing the U.S. And you're bragging on it for doing so.
So California leads the way its a country with in a country they deal with environmental issues immigrations issue Business issues Banking issues and they deal with state issues as we as federal issues .. and are not ruined or fallen into the sea
Yeah, well, all states do that. And they all depend on their business communities to produce wealth (or "fleecing, but just don't fleece as much as California).
As for Immigration both legal and illegal I dont take the Chicken little approach as many Trump supporters Take you get caught you get deported its called due process I am good with that .. but some give the impression.. as if no one gets deported .. Not sure what Trump supporters are looking for other than 100% with out due process ??
Why must you be such an extremist? Nobody, except you, is saying "no one." Nor is anyone "looking for" a disregard of 100% of due process. Maybe you think extreme statements strengthen your argument? Actually, they weaken it--makes it look phony.
During President Barack Obama’s terms, he had a record number of people deported from the United States which was more than any other president. As of 2015, more than 2.5 million undocumented people had been deported by immigration authorities since Obama took office in 2009. This total is record-setting. Take for example, during the two terms of his predecessor, President George W. Bush, removed just over 2 million people.
But lets not let Facts get in the Way..
By all means, let us use facts. But let us not twist them. It has already been pointed out on this forum that the number of deportations depends on how deportation is defined. The way deportation is defined to produce Obama's numbers inflates the actual number of people returned by only counting those who went through a formal bureaucratic process. The number of actual people returned back over the border may well have been, and probably was, higher under Bush than Obama. https://newrepublic.com/article/1174...ore-immigrants
But why must it be about some contest of numbers? It should just be about getting the job done. And if you're OK with illegal immigrants remaining in this country, as your original post implied, why would you care if illegals were deported? You even seem to imply, since California has such a large number of illegals (almost 10% of its population and workforce being estimated to be illegal) and it has no problem generating a high GDP, that illegals are OK. Even that they may be adding to GDP, that it would be lower without illegals. And, of course, there's no "fleecing" of America there. No millions or billions of American dollars being sent directly back across the border without being spent or invested here. No thousands getting some type of welfare transfer payments, no millions being invested in educating their children, no dollars spent on housing their criminal elements, and no, no . . . no corporations in California doing any of that nasty "fleecing."
And as for the Great California GDP--if all the workers in California were legal, their wages would not be suppressed by the illegals who work for less, so the GDP would be even higher--that is, it would be higher if the companies would hire as many people for the wages that legal citizens demand. (Or else, a lot of legal citizens would have to accept lower wages if the welfare system wasn't as attractive--as they used to do . . . you know . . . back in the day).
lets keep the Immigration invasion are stealing jobs and destroying the country narrative alive.. because it gets votes |
Are you saying that the illegals are not "stealing jobs"? Isn't the mantra for encouraging low paid illegals that they'll do the work that Americans won't? (Actually, the correct phraseology is "the work that Americans used to do" . . . you know . . . back in the day . . . when values were different and the safety net was not as generous.)
To sum up what you've said so far in you're response to the actual object and subject of this thread (the article I posted):
You're OK with the creation of sanctuary states.
You're OK with illegals remaining here and having fraudulent ID.
You're OK with states, rather than the Federal Government, having the power to decide who resides in their territory, and so being able to challenge or disregard any Federal Executive Order which conflicts with a state's desire in that manner.
You're OK with open borders, or no borders, with having an undefined country and undefined laws.
And You're not OK with corporations and banks "fleecing America" except You're OK with that in California because it helps to create a great GDP.
Explains the "reasoning" behind a lot of your posts. And why you rag on Trump every day.