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Old 01-10-2019, 04:42 PM   #67
detbuch
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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post
I just can't turn her statement into ashamed, sounds like you can.
Why ask me? I didn't try to do that. But I can see how it could be done. Even by you if you saw it that way. Being proud of a country for finally having hope could imply being ashamed of it during the time when it had none. Are you ashamed of your children when they act despicably?
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