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Originally Posted by Pete F.
"But more to the immediate point, if you choose to keep bringing in more people from other cultures who have different views of government and different selfish goals, and they have birth rates which exponentially and naturally expand, while your birth rates fall below even replacement numbers naturally devolve into a smaller and disappearing population, then the "logical conclusion" is obvious."
We will get browner?
Or less Christian?
Luckily I am an acceptable blend: One grandparent heritage from new Amsterdam and ones heritage from england with a recent swede and recent norwegian, I assume that did not dilute the Master Race.
You don't think it costs a lot to have a child in the USA?
And what do you get for spending the long dollar?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rth-in-america |
Are you trying to instill race into my point of view? If you believe that brown people, whatever you mean by that, cannot have the same view on government as that on which this country was founded, perhaps you're a racist.
And I congratulate you on your acceptable blend of white European people. My blend may not be as acceptable to you. It has some different colors in it, different cultures, different religions, but I choose to adhere to the founding governmental principles of this country. And I don't know which race is the master. It seems that different parts of the world have different racial masters. Ask the Chinese which is the Master Race.
If all people are fungible, then it doesn't matter if you replace home grown people on whom we have spent resources, blood and treasure, to educate and acculturate to American values of individual freedom and limited government, with anybody else from anywhere in the world. If all people are equally replaceable, nothing fundamental will change with waves of immigration.
But if all people are fungible, then why do we have so many of our own who will not do what folks from other countries will? And why do so many of our own prefer socialism to free markets? If bringing in millions to provide the labor that we lack to run the market system we have, how are we assured that they will not essentially be the same fungible types as those who are born here and would rather be dependent on government. And who will not, with higher fertility rates, produce even more of those who are socialist minded, thus requiring even more immigrants who we hope will provide us the labor to sustain what will become an overwhelming mass who are dependent on the labor of others.
Under socialism, there is no need to import people. All the able bodied people must work. In a free market system, people cannot be forced by government to work. They must be personally motivated to work. One sure way of destroying a free market system is to dilute the motivation to work by creating an overweening welfare system. And then to top that off with a demand for forced equality. Then, ironically, bringing in millions more to do what our welfare recipients won't, and who will then participate in and add, with their fecundity, to the same systemic problem. Which will eventually overburden a free market's ability to sustain. The answer then, will be to instill a form of true socialism.
It's curious that you posted an article which showed Norway's success in transforming its status from a sh*thole to one of the most prosperous countries by dumping masses of its poor into this country, but now you seem to accept that bringing in masses of the poor from sh*thole countries will benefit us. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
And, yes I know the cost of raising children. But passing the cost off to society does not lower it. When society takes on cost, it raises taxes or borrows (which is a hidden way of passing on the cost back to us, especially to the children for whom we were given money to raise). There is a level of governmental funding beyond which it becomes unsustainable. Government funding costs are already unsustainable. Funding even more to make it easier for a mass influx of low wage immigrants who have a high birth rate is far more destructive of an economy than helpful.
We are given, by nature, the motivation to have children. It is an essential feature of being living creatures. We humans have this fabulous ability to sidestep nature and to create ever increasingly unnatural worlds. Do you think that the masses of natural breeders will have some children and many grandchildren who won't want to participate in all the artificial wonders. And who won't sidestep nature by not reproducing at sufficient rates.
Our problem, as a society, stems from our own disconnect with our fundamental nature. And it is an extremely seductive disconnect. Immigration cannot solve it. We have enough people. We shouldn't have to import more. The imports or their progeny will succumb to the same problem. And it will either bankrupt us, or we will go whole hog and create an entirely regulated system which determines how many . . . and whom. Some say AI is the answer--evolving into computerized robots.
Or we can more seriously reconnect with our inherent, somewhat messy but freedom loving natural humanity with its love of children, having, and raising them. And securing that free and loving way of life for them.