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Originally Posted by wdmso
again facts matter
There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States.
There is no federal law that stipulates children and parents cannot be separated at the border.
An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States:
AN INCREASE (meaning that it was done before at a lesser rate) was created by a change in enforcement policy (because past policy was not effective enough and there was a big rise in attempts to illegally enter).
And now Trump created the issue(blamed others) and now he gives himself credit for fixing the issue he created
No, he didn't create an "issue." The "issue" was manufactured by media hype trying to make Trump look evil. And the "issue" of large numbers of illegal immigrants existed long before Trump. The illegals themselves created that "issue." There was no serious, sincere, attempt to fix that "issue." Announcing a zero tolerance policy was a serious, sincere, attempt to let it be known that there would be harsh consequences to trying to illegally cross the border. Those who ignored that warning stirred up that old "issue." Schumer demanded that Trump fix the new hyped up issue with an executive order. So Trump did fix the optics "issue" with an executive order, but that ain't good enough for you. Nothing that Trump does is.
we didn't even separate kids in the Japanese interment camps
The whole idea of the Japanese internment camps was wrong. Comparing the prosecution of illegal immigrants to the internment of American citizens without due process, whether the children are separated or not, is stupid. But law breakers who are actually American citizens and are, even temporarily put in detention, are separated from their children--without a fuss from the media or the Democrats.
... no one is saying dont stop people crossing illegally or dont detain Them ... the argument that their parents are putting them in Danger is weak compared to where they came from.... They are taking huge risks to improve their children's future and their own.. You cant fault them for trying
I fault them for going about it the wrong way. And putting themselves and their children in danger while doing so, and disregarding what would happen at the border.
And if you agree that people should be stopped from crossing illegally and that they should be detained and sent back when they try, then what kind, nice, humane way would you do that? That is, what way that actually worked, that actually would deter them from trying?
.. would any of us do any less if we were backed in a corner or in their shoes ???
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Well, going up against a zero tolerance policy is backing yourself and your kids into a corner. Not joining forces with the majority of people in your country in order to stop being oppressed by your government or your criminals is surely backing yourself into a corner. Expecting the rest of the world to fix your problems is backing yourself into a corner. Not seeking asylum in the first country you enter after exiting yours (into Mexico from rest of Latin America), breaking the asylum law, is backing yourself into a corner.
Joining millions to illegally enter a country, expecting open loving arms and the gift of education, healthcare, income, at the expense of that countries citizens, while refusing to join together with those millions to make a better life in your home country is not only backing yourself into a corner, but is depriving the rest of your fellow citizens whom you leave behind from creating a better life for all.
As you say, facts matter.