What's next? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Flaptail · 07-06-2005, 11:56 AM

I am talking fishing tackle. Lines, rods, reels etc. For example 25 years ago we saw our first skirted spool reels ( Mine was a Daiwa 7000c) 30 years ago it was graphite ( HMG by Fenwick was my first in 72') I think braid is not here to stay as a main line for spinning and bait casting/conventional, it's just a step till someone figures out how to make a no- stretch, thin diameter, Fluorocarbon, limp non-kinking line without memory ( I hope there isn't one that I don't know about) I think rod diameters will improve to more slender light wieght composites without the delicacy inherent in some rod blanks we have today, especially in the fly casting arena. Sort of like an ugly stick with finesse. Someone will finally wake up and figure out how to mass produce a reel for the marine environment that is totally water/corrosion resistant, medianly ( is that a real word?) priced and virtually maintenance free so we don't have to shell out 500.00 or more and get whacked for 100 just for lube oil and filter work. And lastly that it would be nice to see this stuff developed, manufactured here in the good 'ol US of A. What do you guys think?

JPowers · 07-06-2005, 12:17 PM

Flap - Quote;

"...... a no- stretch, thin diameter, Fluorocarbon, limp non-kinking line without memory.... "

Price: $450 per 100 yard spool.

vineyardblues · 07-06-2005, 12:41 PM

Flap's Back

VB

eelslinger · 07-06-2005, 01:15 PM

Did you see the piece in Field and Stream a few months back? They showed lures indevelopment with cameras in the tail to see the bite and line to transmit it to your reel display. There are working examples. Computerized reels for no backlash were another product.

Raven · 07-06-2005, 01:39 PM

nano tube technology.....well not for a while... but if you're talking about a total upheival of the fishing line and fishing rod industries thats going to be the material of choice....made from carbon nano tubes they will be more than a hundred times stronger than steel and whats built today. One problem i see is its ability to conduct electricity so its not the rod to be using around an electrical storm . this material is going to revolutionize everything we presently know of! Kevlar now considered to be choice material for bullet proof vests for our police force and military will be a distant memory. Car bodies and even our clothing will be made from this material and will literally be indestructable. It's also going to revolutionize the electronics industry too.

BigBo · 07-06-2005, 02:08 PM

Unfortunately, for U.S. manufacturing, all the newest technology will be coming from overseas. It's not necessarily a bad thing for the consumer, but I would personally like to see a U.S. made reel with quality features that are offered from foreign companies at a decent price. The Avet Reel line seems good right now and the prices are reasonable, but how long will that last. There are a couple of others, but not many offering anything earth shattering in breakthrough technology.

Pete F. · 07-06-2005, 02:12 PM

I see braided line becoming less expensive, although if you consider the life it's not bad now.
Rods, I don't see getting less fragile after all unless physics changes a tube is still the most efficient shape. You could fill the inside with reinforcing but I would think production costs as opposed to the current mandrel method would negate any advantages.
Reels, I see a great opportunity for a braid friendly reel with minimal bearings that's easily maintainable, like a modern 704. Of course that might be a spheros?

MakoMike · 07-06-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bluefishercat

Rods, I don't see getting less fragile after all unless physics changes a tube is still the most efficient shape. You could fill the inside with reinforcing but I would think production costs as opposed to the current mandrel method would negate any advantages.
spheros?

One manufacturer, I think its Cape fear rods, is using a honeycomb inside the rod for reinforcement.

Nebe · 07-06-2005, 02:56 PM

Line- yozuri hybred

reel- vs 250 or an abu 6500csmag

rod- GSB-1201M or L cut 4 inches off the tip

good enough for me

BigBo · 07-06-2005, 04:08 PM

btw; I'm kinda liking the Sufix Tritanium Plus. The more I use it, the more I'm liking it. Been using various mono's and braids for years. While I'll continue to use braid for certain fishing circumstances, I'm slowly switching my mono applications to the Sufix. Low stretch (close but not as good as braid), very good abrasion resistance, and casts nice too. I'd place it somewhere between mono and braid. Has good qualities of both.

piemma · 07-07-2005, 07:07 AM

My partner uses it and he swears by it. I'm still sold on 30# Fireline for the VS and Spectron 50# for the conventionals

BigBo · 07-07-2005, 07:29 AM

The Fireline and Spectron are also my braids of choice. No Power Pro or Spiderwire for me.

Raven · 07-07-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

One manufacturer, I think its Cape fear rods, is using a honeycomb inside the rod for reinforcement.

i checked out those rods(capefear) online and they had nothing longer than 7 feet.
which is ok ...if your looking for a boat rod.... for around 300-500 bucks.

UserRemoved1 · 07-07-2005, 08:16 AM

Flap I've got a new plug in the works. I've patented a new grain technique. Micrograin...causes minute tremors in the lure that causes any fish to impale themselves on the hooks. 100% catch rate on any outing.

eelslinger · 07-07-2005, 10:39 AM

and then there was the VS rep at the MSBA show that bragged they would had a reel soon that would revolutionize fishing.

Show me the money!

lurch · 07-07-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

i checked out those rods(capefear) online and they had nothing longer than 7 feet.
which is ok ...if your looking for a boat rod.... for around 300-500 bucks.

There is proably a reason why the rods are only 7' long...

I think we have some high tech stuff out there I just wish the cost of it would come down for the "average" fisherman.

The thing that gets me is why are Lami rods so damn expensive!!! Dont get me wrong, the rods are kick a$$ and I have 3 but I have only seen the prices go up over the years...I understand inflation but damn!!

MakoMike · 07-07-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

i checked out those rods(capefear) online and they had nothing longer than 7 feet.
which is ok ...if your looking for a boat rod.... for around 300-500 bucks.

Hey, I didn't say they were cheap!

Pt.JudeJoe · 07-07-2005, 11:49 AM

I predict HANDLINES will come back in popularity ,not the old kind Grandpa used , but DESIGNER handlines with cool colors and titanium spools to wrap the line on.

Pete F. · 07-07-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pt.JudeJoe

I predict HANDLINES will come back in popularity ,not the old kind Grandpa used , but DESIGNER handlines with cool colors and titanium spools to wrap the line on.

I think they call those Cubans

Pete F. · 07-07-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

i checked out those rods(capefear) online and they had nothing longer than 7 feet.
which is ok ...if your looking for a boat rod.... for around 300-500 bucks.

I would think production costs as opposed to the current mandrel method would negate any advantages.
1 Cape Fear=6 Diawa Sealine or 2-3 Lamis

Diggin Jiggin · 07-07-2005, 12:18 PM

I think we are just in the early stages of the evolution of the soft rubber lures. Every year they get more & more realistic.

I bet pretty soon we'll be fishing lifesized, scent impregnated rubber herring pogies,squid and sand eels that are all colored & scented to match the real thing...

And the bluefish will just rip em to shreds, and the companies that make em will just grin and make more.

Parapapam · 07-07-2005, 01:02 PM

There was a pretty cool article in either Big Game Journel or Marlin Magazine that predicted that rod technology was the next thing to change.

Their premise was that spectra braid was a technological paradym shift in the industry. Spectra has dramatically changed the reel industry to supply smaller reels capable of handling the torque supplied by "heavier" line classes.

For example, an Avet JX strung with 50 pound braid is mismatched on any modern 30-80 class rod. So rods are now the "weakest" link....Rods will become stronger and with smaller diameters and be able to throw the thinner line more effectively....

ThrowingTimber · 07-07-2005, 02:22 PM

Night vision that kills that damn, reflection of that big white thing in the sky

Raven · 07-07-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Parapapam

There was a pretty cool article in either Big Game Journel or Marlin Magazine that predicted that rod technology was the next thing to change.
. So rods are now the "weakest" link....Rods will become stronger and with smaller diameters and be able to throw the thinner line more effectively....

Parapapam...right on the money...

as they are already making much stronger
tennis rackets with carbon nano tube technology...so the rod makers and line manufacturers will be following their lead.

Crafty Angler · 07-07-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pt.JudeJoe

I predict HANDLINES will come back in popularity ,not the old kind Grandpa used , but DESIGNER handlines with cool colors and titanium spools to wrap the line on.

Joe, you've been sitting too close to the ovens again waiting for the Wobbleheads to bake

RoyL · 07-07-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

One manufacturer, I think its Cape fear rods, is using a honeycomb inside the rod for reinforcement.

I have a few of the Cape fears and do love them. They are pretty nice, but pricy. i got mine a while back before the very outrageous prices. I also have a Cape Fear 14w fly rod with swivel but for tuna and bill fish that is just the bomb. my girl bought me that one........I think fishing is going to get real high tech it's almost kind of sad to think of it. i know a russian jewler who is trying to bring back a titanium rod from his country...I'd like to see what that looks like.

NIB · 07-08-2005, 09:10 AM

I enjoy the art of fishing.All the high tech in the world will not improve on that.

Flaptail · 07-08-2005, 09:39 AM

Tony, I totally agree on the "art of fishing" thing but like anything you do in work or for enjoyment, the better the tools or the instrument ( if you play any kind of musical instrument) the more you will enjoy what you do. Let me explain a bit further, I play the guitar, I have been at it since I was around 10 years old, several years of formal lessons and then self-taught, If you pick up a cheap Hondo guitar and play it then pick up a Martin and play it your enjoyment factor once you played the Martin goes up exponentially. You wnat to play more and more often and a well made instrument is what keeps your interest and your inquisitiveness to expand your art even more. I feel that it's the same way with fishing. You will enjoy fishing with an Ugly stick but put a Loomis in your hand and suddenly you enjoy it more because it such a better built and engineered piece of equipment. I just feel that technology is evolving and sooner or later the benefits will come to us and trying to speculate what is coming next is kinda fun. Roy, I have fished with Titanium rods, all were flyrods and they were sweet, blank diameters were smaller and the sensitivity was phenomenal but, this was several years ago, they were prone to breakage. I am sure they have the kinks worked out. I would love to see a 9-6" one piece spinning rod for the surf and a ten foot conventional stick for up to 4oz for the Canal, that would be something.

This is all good stuff, thanks all who answered and JP, I think fluorocarbon prices are gonna crash in the next few years.

Raven · 07-08-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NIB

I enjoy the art of fishing.All the high tech in the world will not improve on that.

the american indians were known to take spider webs and somehow made fishing line out of it. thats where spider wire gets its name.

i have seen more mexicans catch fish with mono wrapped around a soda can than you could ever believe.

they'd go to the lakes with absolutely nothing except for a pocket knife and scavenge up all the tackle they ever needed and outfish guys with everything under the sun.

NIB · 07-08-2005, 11:02 AM

Flap I don't have the answers.yes i enjoy the new technology but am often hard on chaging my stripes.I still use a 706 an many times my favorite rod is glass.i enjoy catching fish now just like I did when I was 9 yrs old tearin ass wit my hip boots on to the lake to get fiesty springtime pikeral on my browning siloflex rod an rapala's wit my King Neptune Nylon fishing line.Whats left.U allready have 800 dollar reels an filled wit 40 $ of line,400$ rods.150$ bags filled wit 30$ lures 350$ waders.50,ooo.oo $andsleds.Never mind the boat thing.I would like to see the price of gas come down an more affordable housing a cure for all Ill's an world peace.or maybe just have the wire line guys relax alittle.as for modern technology my old Les Paul an Marshall, over 25 yrs old produced a sound that they still have yet to replace.