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BigFish · 12-30-2007, 12:42 AM

Of the Dynasty??? Anyone not a believer??? They are the greatest team ever put on the field (lets not subject that to the era they play in or the era other teams played in) they are simply the best team that I have ever seen!!!!

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 09:37 AM

No question,
2007 team will go down as one of the greatest ever if they win the super bowl.
But impossible to say greatest ever with different eras, rules,talent levels, amount of money players are getting.

Andy D · 12-30-2007, 10:10 AM

Not a Pats fan by any means but they are one of if not the best teams ever IMO . But as a football fan that was probably the best FOOTBALL game of the season. Congrats to the Pats.

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 11:37 AM

Karl I agree 100%....if they don't win it all......it will most definitely be a sidenote! Win the Superbowl and it will be the season that all others are measured by!

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 11:47 AM

I'm looking forward to watching a Pats - Colts rematch.

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 12:07 PM

It won't be as close as the last game Ronnie! Pats will crush them!

Mike P · 12-30-2007, 12:07 PM

If the Browns make the playoffs today, the Pats will have beaten every AFC playoff team, plus two from the NFC, during the season.

Going 16-0 against that kind of a schedule is a tremendous feat and probably won't ever be matched.

As compared to the 14-0 Dolphins who didn't face a winning team until the AFC playoffs? No comparison.

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 12:09 PM

Bingo Mike! Agreed! Pats had the toughest schedule of any team in the league and beat them all!

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

It won't be as close as the last game Ronnie! Pats will crush them!

No, the Pats won't crush them.
It will be a great (close) game!

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 12:17 PM

Pats will beat them by 3 touchdowns!

Slipknot · 12-30-2007, 12:25 PM

Yep, if they go all the way, with what they will have accomplished, anyone who doesn't think they are the greatest ever and thinks it's the Niners or Bears or God forbid the 72 Fins, they would need their head examined and take off the rose colored glasses because what the Pats faced this year will never be repeated again in our lifetimes.
Congrats Pats on the 16 and 0 now on to the post season, I can't wait and I will be one of the 69,000 12th players' in the house

afterhours · 12-30-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

If the Browns make the playoffs today, the Pats will have beaten every AFC playoff team, plus two from the NFC, during the season.

Going 16-0 against that kind of a schedule is a tremendous feat and probably won't ever be matched.

As compared to the 14-0 Dolphins who didn't face a winning team until the AFC playoffs? No comparison.

exactly!

Backbeach Jake · 12-30-2007, 01:33 PM

The days of "running up the score" are over for this season. Belicheck did what he set out to do in the NFL this year. He fielded an exceptional team and most importantly he raised the level of play in the NFL. You have to admit that the Pats' opponents aren't bringing the sorry arsed style of play now that they were bringing earlier. They're playing all out, partially because the games actually mean something now (the sorry part is they didn't then) and partially because they don't want to get their noses rubbed in it. BB coached them all into playing with pride.

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Pats will beat them by 3 touchdowns!

Larry,
The Pats defense had their hands full with a CRAPPY Giants offense,
The Colts are 10 time better.
Whats our wager ???

BigFish · 12-30-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Larry,
The Pats defense had their hands full with a CRAPPY Giants offense,
The Colts are 10 time better.
Whats our wager ???

Win/Lose bet or points?

justplugit · 12-30-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl F

so, my point is, if you don't win all the marbles.. it's.. oh well, nice season, too bad you lost.

Congats Pats.

You nailed it Karl. Our group 4 football team,way back when, went undefeated for
3 years until our senior year when we lost the final state playoff.
That loss still sticks in my mind and nightmares 50 years later.
It's either all the marbles or, "you guys had a good team"

ProfessorM · 12-30-2007, 06:19 PM

Have to agree with Raider Ron on this one Larry. I can't see that game as a 3 touchdown win. I have had a feeling all year that the Colts will beat the Pats when it counts the most. Hope I'm wrong.

Mike P · 12-30-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Larry,
The Pats defense had their hands full with a CRAPPY Giants offense,
The Colts are 10 time better.
Whats our wager ???

Excuse me--that is not a crappy offense. It's an inconsistent offense, but there is talent there--much more so than the Ravens and the Eagles. As maligned as Manning is, he's a better QB than AJ Feeley and light years better than Kyle Boller. Jacobs missed 5 full games and still rushed for over 1000 yards. Burress on one leg is still better than 90% of the wideouts around the league.

Goose · 12-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Mike I thought you converted,,guess not.

Raider Ronnie · 12-30-2007, 07:45 PM

[QUOTE=Mike P;550975]Excuse me--that is not a crappy offense. It's an inconsistent offense, but there is talent there--much more so than the Ravens and the Eagles. As maligned as Manning is, he's a better QB than AJ Feeley and light years better than Kyle Boller. Jacobs missed 5 full games and still rushed for over 1000 yards. Burress on one leg is still better than 90% of the wideouts around the league.[/QUOTE

BIG difference between the Colts and Giants offense !!!
Also, the colts have been the best in the league on defense against the pass! the Pats strength!

wrikerjr · 12-30-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

If the Browns make the playoffs today, the Pats will have beaten every AFC playoff team, plus two from the NFC, during the season.

Going 16-0 against that kind of a schedule is a tremendous feat and probably won't ever be matched.

As compared to the 14-0 Dolphins who didn't face a winning team until the AFC playoffs? No comparison.

If the Pats do not win the superbowl it will be less of a feat than the Dolphins.

zacs · 12-30-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

The days of "running up the score" are over for this season. Belicheck did what he set out to do in the NFL this year. He fielded an exceptional team and most importantly he raised the level of play in the NFL. You have to admit that the Pats' opponents aren't bringing the sorry arsed style of play now that they were bringing earlier. They're playing all out, partially because the games actually mean something now (the sorry part is they didn't then) and partially because they don't want to get their noses rubbed in it. BB coached them all into playing with pride.

THIS IS SO TRUE.
Best coach ever.
Period.
You can argue about best qb, running back, linebacker, ect. [not many arguements about wr].
But Bill B. will go down in history as the greatest football coach to ever step on the field.

The Dad Fisherman · 12-31-2007, 10:06 AM

Add the Redskins to that list......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike P

If the Browns make the playoffs today, the Pats will have beaten every AFC playoff team, plus two from the NFC, during the season.

Going 16-0 against that kind of a schedule is a tremendous feat and probably won't ever be matched.

As compared to the 14-0 Dolphins who didn't face a winning team until the AFC playoffs? No comparison.

wrikerjr · 12-31-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zacs

THIS IS SO TRUE.

But Bill B. will go down in history as the greatest football coach to ever step on the field.

You guys are so caught up in the hype up there but he will be in the top 5 but the best ever please your arrogance stinks!!!

zacs · 12-31-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wrikerjr

You guys are so caught up in the hype up there but he will be in the top 5 but the best ever please your arrogance stinks!!!

who was better & why?

BigFish · 12-31-2007, 11:25 AM

Bills winning percentage is among the elite and might possibly be the best! His post season winning percentage is the best in NFL history! He has won 3 Superbowls and is not done yet! Who is better???Who??? Lombardi???? Sorry...no! Chuck Knoll??? Please!!! Schula??? No!!! Landry??? Uh-uh!! Parcells??? Not on your life!!! They win the Superbowl this year to crown the undefeated season and you can put Bills name on the top of the list for all time with no question!!! Right now I still think he is the best and smartest coach in history!

wrikerjr · 12-31-2007, 11:29 AM

its very difficult to say but their are many that are up there, and it is very difficult to say that one coach is better comparing from various decades.

What makes you say 100% that it is BB is the better question?

Lombardi would get my vote, but you can make an argument for others. If BB and the patriots win the superbowl he would have catapulted up there and if he wins one or two more with this team then you would have to give it to him and alot of other patriots as best in their position (but that is always argumentative).

Definetly top 5 coach of all-time, but to say he is the best ever is arrogance at its best. with that said I would take him as coach of my team anyday.

BigFish · 12-31-2007, 11:31 AM

I will take arrogance then I guess.....cause' he manages a team, its players and the entire way they function better than any other coach ever!

wrikerjr · 12-31-2007, 11:40 AM

what makes bb better than lombardi or knoll or the big tuna???

The game changes decade to decade its not that easy to just say one is better than the other.

Winning percentage how many times a year does he play the bills, jets and miami??? every thing can be knocked for everyone.

Knoll's drafting ability was unprecedented and still to this day is unmatched, but with free-agency the game is different today.

One day the Patriots will not be the juggernaut that they were. for a dynasty team to not make the playoffs one year in their run doesn't help the coach. I know it seems very long ago but 9-7 in 2002 following the superbowl win was not a great season.

Oh yes, Spy gate does not help.

The Dad Fisherman · 12-31-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wrikerjr

what makes bb better than lombardi or knoll or the big tuna???

You had a great argument going until you threw the Big Tuna in the Mix......Both his superbowls were won on Defense.....and who was his Defensive Coordinator???