DEP seizes black sea bass caught out of legal season

[macojoe]

DEP seizes black sea bass caught out of legal season | The Asbury Park Press NJ | APP.com

[basswipe]

This one's gonna be good.

[trevier]

did they seize all the fishing equipment while they were at it, if not they should have, dirtballs,

[massbasshunter]

Wow thats Crazy all out of season Black seabass Im sure they seized alot of the gear!!

[MakoMike]

Gear would be chump change compared to the fines and the income from the sale of the fish. A few $150 fishing outfits would be my guess.

[PRBuzz]

I'll bet that is more widely practiced on head boats than reported: once on board it stays on board! And who counts? Except for those damn dogfish.....

[Saltheart]

800 plus illegal fish caught on that boat in one trip with no effort by the captain or crew to stop it. Seems to me the blame starts there at the top and goes down hill to the individual fisherman.

He acknowledge that he did see fishermen keeping black see bass, but said, “I didn’t think it was that many. And I’m not getting paid by the state of New Jersey to take fish out of people’s buckets.”

What an attitude. Confiscate the boat just to send a loud clear message.

[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

He acknowledge that he did see fishermen keeping black see bass, but said, “I didn’t think it was that many. And I’m not getting paid by the state of New Jersey to take fish out of people’s buckets.”

When I saw this statement I thought the same thing. Maybe not take the boat but pull his license to operate a party boat. He more or less said screw the state and fishery regulations, all I'm interested in is the money.

[bigwavedave]

It's great they put not only his pic up but the boat also . Not so good for bookings . It's a shame that whatever the fines and such will be it wont be enough . They need to make strong examples of idiots like this so maybe it will act as a deterent for the rest of these people
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[macojoe]

He acknowledge that he did see fishermen keeping black see bass, but said, “I didn’t think it was that many. And I’m not getting paid by the state of New Jersey to take fish out of people’s buckets.”

Any party boat I have been on will not let you keep shorts or other off season fish! He is responsible for who ever and what ever people do when on his boat!!
I am on my boat.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by macojoe

Any party boat I have been on will not let you keep shorts or other off season fish! He is responsible for who ever and what ever people do when on his boat!!
I am on my boat.

no he is [B]NOT[B] legally responsible for what paying fares do on his boat. He posted signs and informed the anglers at the beginning of the trip that sea bass were out of season. He is not empowered or required to enforce the regs. He did what he is supposed to do and the individuals who elected to violate the regs are the ones who should pay the price.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

no he is [B]NOT[B] legally responsible for what paying fares do on his boat. He posted signs and informed the anglers at the beginning of the trip that sea bass were out of season. He is not empowered or required to enforce the regs. He did what he is supposed to do and the individuals who elected to violate the regs are the ones who should pay the price.

You really believe that the mates didn't notice someone w/ 100+ sea-bass in their cooler and at least off hand didn't say, 'Ah Cap....'

they are all indirectly culpable.

On the plus side, this is why Blount pushed for a fillet law, to curb this happening on the PB's coming in and out of Snug this winter....

[Typhoon]

Pretty sure I know one of the mates on the boat. Waiting for an email back.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You really believe that the mates didn't notice someone w/ 100+ sea-bass in their cooler and at least off hand didn't say, 'Ah Cap....'

they are all indirectly culpable.

On the plus side, this is why Blount pushed for a fillet law, to curb this happening on the PB's coming in and out of Snug this winter....

So what if they did? They and the Capt. are not legally empowered to enforce the law. Do you call a cop every time you see someone blow a red light or a stop sign? The fact that the DEP did not cite the Captain, just proves my point.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

So what if they did? They and the Capt. are not legally empowered to enforce the law. Do you call a cop every time you see someone blow a red light or a stop sign? The fact that the DEP did not cite the Captain, just proves my point.

No, but IF they knew what was going on, he damn well should have called DEP himself to have them waiting at the dock.

[The Dad Fisherman]

That defense didn't work for Joe Paterno.....

You Know...the Whole "Moral Obligation" Thing

[piemma]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

So what if they did? They and the Capt. are not legally empowered to enforce the law. Do you call a cop every time you see someone blow a red light or a stop sign? The fact that the DEP did not cite the Captain, just proves my point.

So what you are saying is that if you had a charter and the guys started keeping 16" bass you wouldn't say anything????

[JohnnyD]

Are Charters/headboats really not responsible for the fish that people on their vessels keep and can feign ignorance?

[MAKAI]

Rulers?
We don't need no stinking rulers!
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[toaster816]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

So what if they did? They and the Capt. are not legally empowered to enforce the law. Do you call a cop every time you see someone blow a red light or a stop sign? The fact that the DEP did not cite the Captain, just proves my point.

So turning a blind eye and allowing scum bags to poach is acceptable because they can't make the arrest? Nice logic dude. What a joke.

[niko]

a good partyboat and captain will make an effort to make sure the patrons are not poaching. a #^&#^&#^&#^&ty one will turn a blind eye to it. if you are a good boat and mind the rules you will lose some business from the poaching crowd (who wants to fish w/ them anyway) but end up w/ decent regulars and a good rep. the boat i winter codfish on has a mate that goes through all the coolers and checks all the whole fish going home - if they are short/out of season they get tossed over. there will always be fishermen who skirt the rules - eff them and the boats that allow this

[Haus]

Capt of the boat is also responsible. Just like the operator of a vehicle is responsible for everything that happens in their car.
what if the passengers were raping someone, is that ok to not say anything?
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[spence]

Never been on one, but I would be astounded if a Captain of a party boat wasn't ultimately responsible for customers behaving in a legal manner on board especially considering fishing licenses and catch limits. That there seems to have been full awareness yet no move to counter says a lot about the boat.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

I would be astounded if a Captain of a party boat wasn't ultimately responsible for customers behaving in a legal manner on board especially considering fishing licenses and catch limits.
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I would agree with Mike if it was a few fish here and there, but we aren't talking about someone sneaking a BSB or two into their cooler.... 108 fish!

[JohnR]

It is too much. It isn't looking the other way on a fish it is allowing - on your boat - significant violation of the rules as the apply to the people you are bringing to the fish. And he profited by it.

[Rockfish9]

As a captain of a vessel you are ultimately resposible for everything that goes on onboard your vessel..... that includes the safety of your passengers and violations of the law.. ..this includes reporting known violations.. these people are fishing on YOUR permits.. this one will end up in court.. we'll see what a judge has to say...

[makomania]

I'd say everybody is responsible....108 fish!? Who doesn't notice that :/

[likwid]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

So what if they did? They and the Capt. are not legally empowered to enforce the law. Do you call a cop every time you see someone blow a red light or a stop sign? The fact that the DEP did not cite the Captain, just proves my point.

Do you allow your fares to poach?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by likwid

Do you allow your fares to poach?

Seems like all he needs to do is advise them of what the limits are and then turn a blind eye.

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by Haus

Capt of the boat is also responsible. Just like the operator of a vehicle is responsible for everything that happens in their car.
what if the passengers were raping someone, is that ok to not say anything?
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