Rapid Reduction Layouts

[Fergal]

Anyone have any thoughts or input? I'm considering one additional build, an 11'.

[Ian]

I think BillyD has one in the works
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[Fergal]

hopefully he will respond

[pbadad]

Yes I do. 10' Infinity. Primarily used on the sand. VS150. Single foot KL-H reduction guides, KT runners. Thought of doing a 25L,12 H, 7L to KB 6 runners. Decided to use K25H, K12H K8M,KT 8 runnners for a practical reason as it still needs to perform in the surf when weeded up and re stringing at night . Eyesight s#cks. Haven't set up the guides as of yet.

[Fergal]

i had come up with the same two layouts and was going to go with the 25-12-8m-kt8 for the same reason. Still toying around with it. I need another rod like I need another hole in my head but I'm in NJ and will have a chance to p/u a blank that I won't be able to get realistically otherwise. Thanks for the input.

[numbskull]

What weight rod and what size reel/braid?

The easiest/cheapest is exactly what you've specified, KLH25-12-8m-8's. I've done this on rods 8.5-11 feet and been happy. You need to be careful in transport, however. I've also done 20H-10H-8m- 8KT runners and it works well.

The RV guides offer a double foot option but at an awful price ($180-320 for a set without tip)
RV25-RV16-KWm10-whatever runners is reportedly very good. I'm about to build this layout on a 10' rod (whose recipient is afraid of singles).

For years I've used Titanium LC20 (or 16M) followed by LC 12m- Lc10-kw/kt runners with good success. The collector does go pretty far out the rod but the rods cast well and are very light.

There is a 4th option that I have not tried. It uses a KW 30 (H?) collector followed by single foot transition chain of KL20-KL12- runners. For big reels and heavy braid it might be worth testing casting this option.....but again I've not tried it.

The problem with building one of these layouts, particularly if you use titanium, is that you will soon find you need to rewrap all your other rods as you won't be able to stand to look at them, never mind fish them.

[pbadad]

George I've been on the fence with the RV guides waiting for SS frame. Last year I built a 1087 FSC for a friend w/titanium tip to collector. RV 25, 16, K12M, KT8 runners and an Arowana ti tip. Extremely light and nice looking but "too" rich for my blood. Nonetheless rod casts amazing and responsive tip. I figure I'll do the Infinity rod with single reduction and if I decide, I'll to change when the S'S RV ' S are available.

[Fergal]

the rod would potentially be a odm nex1 11 3/4-4, reel would be vs200/zb25, braid, don't know, 30 or 40. Ti is out for this build. I have torzite on several rods, very nice, very pricey. It's just not in the budget for this one.

I do like the possible kw30-kl20...., hadn't considered that but I definitely will.

I don't have too much of a problem with single foots, like stated above, transport probably being the biggest risk.

I s/b able to get out today and look at blanks. If I pull the trigger on the blank then I will probably try one of the above layouts and see how it works.

thanks for hte input

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by pbadad

George I've been on the fence with the RV guides waiting for SS frame. Last year I built a 1087 FSC for a friend w/titanium tip to collector. RV 25, 16, K12M, KT8 runners and an Arowana ti tip. .

I wish I could get an Arowana Titanium tip in a 10 and 11 tube/8 or 10 ring to try and diminish tip catching on the backswing but as far as I can tell they stop at size 8 tube.

[Fergal]

I have an arowana tip on a light 7' acid wrapped conventional rod and the line seems to catch the tip QUITE often. So much so that I probably wouldn't use another.
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[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Fergal

I do like the possible kw30-kl20...., hadn't considered that but I definitely will.

I think my post is incorrect. As you mention I think the reduction is KW 30 (H?) to plain KL20-KL12, not KLH 20/10 as I described. The height to the bottom of the KLH ring is higher than the bottom of the KW30H so it wouldn't work.

The layout was described by ZA fisher over on SOL (he's quite sharp).
Here is his quote (but I'm not sure if he uses a KW30 or KW30H)

"8's are fine if you have no weed. (use them myself)
Don't like KW30 to KW20 though, not because of over choking, but because the KW20 is low and I find you need to push it out further for a neat bullseye to the choke.
You end up with, to my mind a too large gap between the KW30 and KW20.
KW30 to KL20 to KL12 is a different story - works like a charm with the KL20 and KL12 being quite a bit taller than their KW counterparts.
But you have to be comfortable with single foot guides"

[Fergal]

well, looks like i will try it out...

[Fergal]

guides ordered, will start it next week.

[Fergal]

Originally Posted by Fergal

guides ordered, will start it next week.

guides on back order - ugghh

starting a 120l in the meantime

[pbadad]

Drew , what's guides were back ordered? Mudhole?

[Guppy]

Great info here , thanks
Starting the process for a 120 1m

While I think of it, a FYI , found it helpful to use the camera eye of my cell to look down thru reduction to see where it hits the (colector ?)

[Fergal]

Originally Posted by pbadad

Drew , what's guides were back ordered? Mudhole?

getbit, mudhole also had a good number of them out of stock tho. the email that i received said they hoped it would ship next week (this coming week) but nothing definite.

[Fergal]

still waiting on the guides for this...

[pbadad]

I see MH is out of stock on the RV16. Plus my order was delayed do to weather en route to Pa.

[Fergal]

120L that i'm working on in the meantime

[Fergal]

rest

[pbadad]

Drew that's very nice. Like the underwrap like that for LC AND K guides. Your single accent thread is it weaved ?

[Fergal]

just a single inlay of thread.

[Fergal]

i'm hoping to get the guides (all but 2 of them) on monday. i'm off tuesday but the storm will probably prevent me from test casting until the weekend.

[pbadad]

What guides you waiting for?

[Fergal]

pretty much all of them. it s/b delivered tomorrow according to usps tracking. i was going to try 2 setups - kl25-12-8m... and kw30-kl20... the 20 is still on backorder though. i won't get to test cast until next weekend at this point.

[Fergal]

120l in progress...

[Fergal]

last

[pbadad]

I haven't finished the set up on mine but the guides KL25h, KL12h, KL8M, kt8's. In the middle wrapping a VT 4-8 .

[Fergal]

Originally Posted by pbadad

I haven't finished the set up on mine but the guides KL25h, KL12h, KL8M, kt8's. In the middle wrapping a VT 4-8 .

that's what i was going to try, if/when they ever get here.