Black Salty for Stripers?

[spinncognito]

Any of you guys ever hear of this live bait? I read about it somewhere recently. Gotta wonder if it would be effective for stripers. Very herring-like it seems.

Check out the site and whattaya think?






http://www.blacksalty.com/index.html

[mikecc]

The bait you are talking in not legal in MA. It is considered a non native species and is not allowed in most states.It is tougher than shiners and breaths from the surface makes it easy to care for,BUT it is agressive and will kill off most other fish of their size. MA DFW had it added to the banned species list. Import and posession is illegal in most states.

[Nebe]

ohhhhh man... i have just the place

[thefishingfreak]

those look sweet.
75 bucks for 12 1/2 dozen shipped right to your door. nice.

[thefishingfreak]

only illigal for fresh water use?

[mikecc]

illigal to possess fresh or salt.

[Nebe]

if they can only live for 2 and 1/2 hours in salt water whats the problem?

[spinncognito]

I guess you were right mike... I could not find any info on the MA DFW website so I posted the question. I think they oughtta be legal. Seem harmless. You could make a killing selling them outta your shop I betcha..

spinn

NOT from Texas
Posted by: Paul S. (IP Logged)
Date: March 30, 2005 09:50AM


Does anyone outside of Texas use these baits? I fish for stripers off the coast of Massachusetts and the Black Salty look very herring-like. Herring are a major food source for our stripers and I betcha they would work. Is it legal to possess Black Salty in Mass? Anyone fish for saltwater stripers with them?

Thanks for any info...



Re: NOT from Texas
Posted by: Capt Wayne
Date: April 1, 2005 03:36PM


Hi Paul...I don't know about saltwater stripers, but our landlocked stripers in Texas attack them with a vengence...Check your local laws to see it it is permissable to import them in Mass...



Re: NOT from Texas
Posted by: Larry Bozka
Date: April 2, 2005 11:15AM


The Black Salty baitfish has not yet been approved for sale and use in the State of Massachusetts (they are legal, however, in Delaware). We are awaiting notification of approval, and encourage you to contact your local fish & game authorities to approve the baits.

Extensive tests conducted by I.F. Anderson Farms (via the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff) and the Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept. have shown that the fish are essentially eco-friendly, and that they will not reproduce in saltwater.

We'll keep you posted on the approval scenario, and I encourage you to stay in touch re: the same.

As a herring substitute, the Black Salty is yielding impressive results. More info on that will be forthcoming shortly on this forum, so keep posted.

'Til then, many thanks for your interest in Black Salty baitfish, and good fishing always ...

Larry

[squiddler]

Black Salty works man.......

[spinncognito]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Black Salty works man.......

ok squiddler, where and when? And in what state?

[beachwalker]

this is sick

[Nebe]

i should set up an account and go on the road..... i bet i could fit an enourmous livewell in this puppy

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by mikecc

The bait you are talking in not legal in MA. It is considered a non native species and is not allowed in most states.It is tougher than shiners and breaths from the surface makes it easy to care for,BUT it is agressive and will kill off most other fish of their size. MA DFW had it added to the banned species list. Import and posession is illegal in most states.

I am hoping it is also illegal for the company to ship to states that they are banned in!!!!

PLEASE dont try them here! Unless they are approved and legal to use. There are MANY reasons why introducing non-native species is bad even in saltwater!!! If they have a tolerance to saltwater for 2 hours that could be enough time for them to come off a hook and find themselves a freshwater source to the ocean! Any parasites, bacteria, etc they may carry (that are harmless to them) could be fatal to one of our native species.


If you are thinking of using them I beg you to consider the potential consequence that mother nature would have to pay because you had to cathch a few more bass.

[spinncognito]

Originally Posted by Jenn

I am hoping it is also illegal for the company to ship to states that they are banned in!!!!

PLEASE dont try them here! Unless they are approved and legal to use. There are MANY reasons why introducing non-native species is bad even in saltwater!!! If they have a tolerance to saltwater for 2 hours that could be enough time for them to come off a hook and find themselves a freshwater source to the ocean! Any parasites, bacteria, etc they may carry (that are harmless to them) could be fatal to one of our native species.


If you are thinking of using them I beg you to consider the potential consequence that mother nature would have to pay because you had to cathch a few more bass.

Hey Jenn,
I am thinking of using them but would never do so unless it was legal. I have read about other species that have had catastrophic impact on out local waters. As with most fishermen, I simply am always on the lookout for new ways to catch fish. Hopefully the Black Salty will get approval someday and will present us anglers with a new angle on catching fish.
I wonder how long they have been legal in Delaware. I betcha the stripers down there are feasting on them...

Paul

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by spinncognito

ok squiddler, where and when? And in what state?

Caught on a black salty offshore size about 3 seconds after it hit the water. Fish was released right after photo. No scale, but it was 52 inches long and had a girth of almost 31 inches!

Fish was caught in late April of last year in NJ off my buddies boat. We left out of Sandy Hook, and fished somewhere ourtside the Barnegeat light house. This was the largest of the 20 plus fish(36-52 inches) caught on Black salties, all released. The baits only last about 20 minutes or so once they hit the salt water. They look an awful lot like large pike shiners. There is no way they can reproduce in salt water. They are not legal for fresh water use in any of the northern states, but I can find no law banning them from salt water use. My buddy gets 10 pounds fed exed, and keeps them in a converted koi pond at his house in NJ. He puts a cooling bar in the pond, as they do not do well in warmer water. The stripers commit suicide on them, let me tell ya!!!!

[beachwalker]

what a joke....

who you blowin in the company ?

why would a bass go for some alien friggin bait from hickville

must be wonna dem hibrit sumbeeyotches, eh ?

[Nebe]

beachwalker, if there is a fish in the ocean that looks wounded, a bass will eat it. they eat pieces of plastic, metal and wood that are in the shape of lures, so why not a rel fish?

[beachwalker]

Originally Posted by Eben

beachwalker, if there is a fish in the ocean that looks wounded, a bass will eat it. they eat pieces of plastic, metal and wood that are in the shape of lures, so why not a rel fish?

ya think ?

your telling me if you put one a deez corn fed chubs next to a black back in a run the bass is gonna choose da alien motha ?

know wud ime sayin ?

[Nebe]

yo-

yes, because one will have a hook through its head.....

I know someone who livelines trout for stripers.

[beachwalker]

wow

[squiddler]

The gentleman i spoke of in NJ is a commercial(yah I know) fisherman with over 45 years of experience. The majority of his cows come on livelined scup, black salties, mackeral, eels, and tautog. Beat the larger baits up a bit, send em to the bottom, and hold on! He chums like hell too......

He has over 40 fish over 50 pounds landed on his vessels, but he still says his best accomplishment was his shore caught 43 pounder. Boat caught fish just don't have the same meaning, unless they are 70 plus. A 60 pounder to him is just a big paycheck......

Throw a piece of plastic or metal and land one of those cows, then thats impressive!!!

[whiplash]

any pond on the cape has fish like that .we caught them on bread baits in just about every pond that was never "reclaimed" when I was a kid. Never tried them is salt water but the large mouths used to eat'em up.

[spinncognito]

Interesting point whiplash. Should saltwater fishermen be pl#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g goldfish and sunfish out of the local lakes and experimenting with them in the ocean? Someone could discover that say, PERCH make great striper bait. The next thing ya know every striper fisherman with have a livewell full of them.

ANd for all the greenish police here, would it be legal?

[beachwalker]

hopefully white perch....