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Flaptail · 02-23-2006, 10:40 AM

Hold onto your hats boys and girls, the Mid-east is about to blow! Iraqi civil war will make the Khmer Rouge guys look like amateurs. The Iran gets into the fray, we are there left holding our jockstraps because everyone except Britain will bail. Syria starts dumping arms and men into it and boom! Thank you President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. Rumsfeld, the world is about to ignite because of your piss poor leadership. Somebody please, can we get these turkeys out of office now? The Gold Star Mothers membership is going to skyrocket now. If you have a son, daughter, father, mother, brother, sister, cousins or friends in the Military start praying real hard that the inevitable somehow is miraculously avoided.

striperman36 · 02-23-2006, 10:45 AM

What happened? I missed it!!
Even if the GOP is in power it will be the status quo. We ain't going to be able to get out of this one. They will bring it to us soon!!

BigFish · 02-23-2006, 10:49 AM

If they bring back the draft I am pretty sure the Bush girls are of age!

That is if the draft applies to women?

I saw this one coming quite awhile ago...all the way back to when Bush Sr. did not finish the job!

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

If they bring back the draft I am pretty sure the Bush girls are of age!

That is if the draft applies to women?

I saw this one coming quite awhile ago...all the way back to when Bush Sr. did not finish the job!

They dont draft chicks

The Dad Fisherman · 02-23-2006, 11:17 AM

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They dont draft chicks

Like BF said they don't draft men either.

When the Draft was last used Women were not allowed in Combat. They are Now....so that WILL change....If there is a draft they will be part of it.

spence · 02-23-2006, 10:54 AM

Pretty sad at the mosque they bombed...it was an amazing piece of art and architecture.

I really hope people realize that the f'ups leading up to and into Iraq were not random or casual mistakes. It's the product of a small group of idiologically motivated people with near absolute power making arrogant and reckless decisions in the name of power and fear.

Hope they can settle this down, cause it could be very ugly.

-spence

BigFish · 02-23-2006, 10:57 AM

They don't currently draft men either but that too could change. (Besides...it was a joke)

Flaptail · 02-23-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

Pretty sad at the mosque they bombed...it was an amazing piece of art and architecture.

I really hope people realize that the f'ups leading up to and into Iraq were not random or casual mistakes. It's the product of a small group of idiologically motivated people with near absolute power making arrogant and reckless decisions in the name of power and fear.

Hope they can settle this down, cause it could be very ugly.

-spence

Spence, that was perfectly put. Let's hope real hard.

BigFish · 02-23-2006, 11:09 AM

Bush certainly is not helping! I again ask....Why must the United States seek to put its Demoratic foot in everyone elses door???? Why??? Why are we trying to force these countries to accept Democracy??? Here in lies the problem...let them live and let live!!! Once and for all this Government has to begin taking care of number one and let these other governments crumble on their own in their own good time! Why must we shed American blood on their behalf?

spence · 02-23-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Bush certainly is not helping! I again ask....Why must the United States seek to put its Demoratic foot in everyone elses door???? Why??? Why are we trying to force these countries to accept Democracy???

A key belief among neoconservatives is that:

1. American values are universal (very Wilsonian)
2. As the World super power, it's the duty of the USA to spread democracy by removing tyrants and despotic regiemes
3. The pre-emptive use of force is justified to solve these problems

So to the neocon's, oppressed people want us to use force if it will bring them freedom, and as Americans it's our duty to do so!

Unfortunately, it's not a very worldly viewpoint and has led to the absurd and reckless assumptions and manipulation that have screwed everything up.

-spence

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Bush certainly is not helping! I again ask....Why must the United States seek to put its Demoratic foot in everyone elses door???? Why??? Why are we trying to force these countries to accept Democracy??? Here in lies the problem...let them live and let live!!! Once and for all this Government has to begin taking care of number one and let these other governments crumble on their own in their own good time! Why must we shed American blood on their behalf?

You dont get it. We let them do what they wanted to for years and they became breeding grounds for terroism. So you want the US to sit back and let these countrys keep funding and supporting terrosists so we have more 9/11's?? I could care less if they wany to cut each others throats, but when it affects us we cant sit back and do nothing! Spreading democracy is the only hope to show those people they have a future and to hopefully stabalize the terroist supporting governments. You guys have the pre 9/11 mentallity and its scary.

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Bush certainly is not helping! I again ask....Why must the United States seek to put its Demoratic foot in everyone elses door???? Why??? Why are we trying to force these countries to accept Democracy??? Here in lies the problem...let them live and let live!!! Once and for all this Government has to begin taking care of number one and let these other governments crumble on their own in their own good time! Why must we shed American blood on their behalf?

Heck Hitler never caused any problems towards the US at first either. We sat back and let him take over half of Europe and did nothing. Taking over countrys of our friends, murdering, raping innocents and we sat and did nothing. Is this the kind of mentallity you want our gevernment too have? heck i doesnt affect me so who the %$%$%$%$ cares? Thats a scary way think.

MakoMike · 02-23-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

I really hope people realize that the f'ups leading up to and into Iraq were not random or casual mistakes. It's the product of a small group of idiologically motivated people with near absolute power making arrogant and reckless decisions in the name of power and fear.

Hope they can settle this down, cause it could be very ugly.

-spence

Just to be perfect clear, that small group of people is also called the Congress of the Untied States.

spence · 02-23-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Just to be perfect clear, that small group of people is also called the Congress of the Untied States.

Well, no actually. Congress didn't vote to go to war, they voted to allow the President to use force to protect the country if necessary and if the Admin could prove that Saddam had WMD and links to al Qaida.

It's pretty clear today they were led just like the rest of us. Did they ask the difficult questions and provide the proper oversight? Probably not, but that doesn't mean they were complicit.

-spence

Raven · 02-23-2006, 01:53 PM

concerning the mosque.....see that particular building being as old as it was...(and our government realizes the signifigance of it but many do not) it was the fabled place that mohamed ...their version of jesus was supposed to return to....and ironically the other shrine where jesus is foretold to return is nearby.... i believe
...i saw a whole program on these ideology's on the history channel.. and bigfish and whoever else...
Bush has already lost control regardless if anythings his fault or not.
the destruction of the mosque was a particularly huge milestone!
this EVENT has totally changed the landscape of religious power.

what i'm wondering is: what our position is (militarilly) when the Civil war just explodes because we cannot take sides in a secular war....

we're only there to fight the terrorist's...the jhadists...insurgents.

and i'm in agreement of a pull back....not a shove in.....with a draft.

Flaptail : whats your idea concerning the Civil war scenario?

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Hold onto your hats boys and girls, the Mid-east is about to blow! Iraqi civil war will make the Khmer Rouge guys look like amateurs. The Iran gets into the fray, we are there left holding our jockstraps because everyone except Britain will bail. Syria starts dumping arms and men into it and boom! Thank you President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. Rumsfeld, the world is about to ignite because of your piss poor leadership. Somebody please, can we get these turkeys out of office now? The Gold Star Mothers membership is going to skyrocket now. If you have a son, daughter, father, mother, brother, sister, cousins or friends in the Military start praying real hard that the inevitable somehow is miraculously avoided.

Yeah its all Bush's fault. The muslims have nothing to do with all the violance in the world. Its all Bush.

The Dad Fisherman · 02-23-2006, 11:22 AM

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Yeah its all Bush's fault. The muslims have nothing to do with all the violance in the world. Its all Bush.

How many American Service Men were in Iraq before he was President? How many Now?

He's the Head Cheese and Commander in Chief of the Military....Yeah it is his fault....at least some of it

If everything went Stellar over there you'd bet He'd be grabbing all the Praise and Glory.

Geesh... Even Spiderman knows "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"

RIJIMMY · 02-23-2006, 12:07 PM

Skip, it aint worth it.

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 12:45 PM

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Skip, it aint worth it.

I know...I don't know why i even bother.

Flaptail · 02-23-2006, 01:23 PM

Skip, point counterpoint makes debate a good thing. I don't agree with just about 80% of what your saying but I agree that you can say it and shouldn't be bashed for it. Keep your opinions sacred and stick with them please and don't give up defending your views.

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Skip, point counterpoint makes debate a good thing. I don't agree with just about 80% of what your saying but I agree that you can say it and shouldn't be bashed for it. Keep your opinions sacred and stick with them please and don't give up defending your views.

I will always speek my mind and dont care what people think of my views. Even when poeple like Nebe attempt to align me and Rebublicans with Nazi's and make personal attacks about my mother. Its just tough talking politics on a New England fishing website where 90% of the people are probably Liberal Democrats. But whatever, i'll take you guys on like i always do. Maybe knock some sense into some of you

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 02:09 PM

And why are so many on the left who are opposed to the war in Iraq and want our military outta there so in favor of a draft? If you have a draft that means you'd want more troops in the fight. So they want more troops on the ground but want to pull out of Iraq? If you want to pull out why do you want more troops? That logic makes no sense

spence · 02-23-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Its just tough talking politics on a New England fishing website where 90% of the people are probably Liberal Democrats.

90%

I'd wager less than 10% of the users on this site are genuine "liberal democrats"...

-spence

The Dad Fisherman · 02-23-2006, 02:21 PM

Who said they were in favor of a draft? I don't see that in this thread

Backbeach Jake · 02-23-2006, 03:03 PM

We're seeing the beginning of a civil war in Islam. It was bound to happen, our meddling just sped it up. Two of the words that I used aren't a precise as I would like "meddling" and "civil", but you get what I mean. Sadaamit held all the little factions apart, or killed one side or the other. Kept their heads down, so to speak. We come along without a clue to their culture and they go after one another like they have to catch up. It's gonna get bad and it's gonna spread.

BigFish · 02-23-2006, 03:08 PM

So in a nutshell...like I said....we should and should have left well enough alone!

Backbeach Jake · 02-23-2006, 03:26 PM

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So in a nutshell...like I said....we should and should have left well enough alone!

We just kicked this turd open, shoulda left Iraq the hell alone until they actually did us harm. Now the stink is overwhelming us. We shoulda kept our focus in Afghanistan. They did do us harm. The real pity is the cheapness of life in this whole mess.

Skip N · 02-23-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

We just kicked this turd open, shoulda left Iraq the hell alone until they actually did us harm. Now the stink is overwhelming us. We shoulda kept our focus in Afghanistan. They did do us harm. The real pity is the cheapness of life in this whole mess.

Wait till they did us harm huh? So you want to wait for more 9/11's before we act? Wow, thats some scary thinking

Like i said...Pre 9/11 thinking so many on the left have. And its down right scary.

Swimmer · 02-24-2006, 12:23 PM

We have yet to devise a scenario for dealing with a people whose only possesion is thier religon. Or maybe just one other thing, and AK-47.

Skip N · 02-24-2006, 12:43 PM

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We have yet to devise a scenario for dealing with a people whose only possesion is thier religon. Or maybe just one other thing, and AK-47.

Yup, and some want us to reason with those people