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02-02-2007, 07:52 AM
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end of the fence guy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: tiverton ri
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hardloy or aluminum oxide
wich hold up better?
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02-02-2007, 08:12 AM
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wishin' i was fishin'
Join Date: May 2001
Location: toooo far from the beach !!
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sic
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02-02-2007, 08:25 AM
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Finally
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by snake slinger
wich hold up better?
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Hold up to what? Abuse, braided line, etc.... |
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02-02-2007, 08:35 AM
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end of the fence guy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: tiverton ri
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abuse
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02-02-2007, 08:44 AM
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Finally
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: FL
Posts: 7,181
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Quote:
Originally Posted by snake slinger
abuse
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I don't think one will handle more abuse than the other.
I use hardloys on most stuff I build, hold up well, use an alconite or sic tip and you're good to go. |
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02-02-2007, 09:40 AM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
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Hardaloys are better and cost pennies more. None of the custom builders around here use aluminum oxide.
The only time they ever made sense is when Fuji sold them with the flourescent shock ring between the frame and the inlay.
Now that AO and Hardaloy use the same frame, AO shouldn't even be on the table to consider  |
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02-02-2007, 11:27 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Guides
I started out using SiC but have heard much about the Sics being so hard (brittle) that the ring breaks pretty easy. I then switched to Alconite and they are not only very hard, look good, are cheaper than SiCs, but they are also made in the "Fuji Concept" ( but only "concept "if I'm not mistaken) which I like a lot.
I would go to them way before Hardaloys unless the cost is an issue. Just my opinion. But you have to do what you like!!! Paul
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02-03-2007, 07:53 AM
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Plug Builder in Training
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: wareham MA
Posts: 4,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
Hardaloys are better and cost pennies more. None of the custom builders around here use aluminum oxide.
The only time they ever made sense is when Fuji sold them with the flourescent shock ring between the frame and the inlay.
Now that AO and Hardaloy use the same frame, AO shouldn't even be on the table to consider |
I till have a bunch of the Fuji Green Shock Ring Guides for the canal guys. Getting tough to find . Fuji did away with them 2 or 3 years ago. |
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02-03-2007, 07:55 AM
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Plug Builder in Training
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: wareham MA
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Originally Posted by santacruzer
I started out using SiC but have heard much about the Sics being so hard (brittle) that the ring breaks pretty easy. I then switched to Alconite and they are not only very hard, look good, are cheaper than SiCs, but they are also made in the "Fuji Concept" ( but only "concept "if I'm not mistaken) which I like a lot.
I would go to them way before Hardaloys unless the cost is an issue. Just my opinion. But you have to do what you like!!! Paul
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I agree the avrage set of Alconites is only about $7 more than hardloys. not much when you are spending $200 +- on a custom rod |
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02-03-2007, 06:27 PM
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Been many moons
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Aquidneck Island
Posts: 400
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Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
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02-03-2007, 06:34 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
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Ask NEBE what guides he has on his AllStar 1088 
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02-03-2007, 08:48 PM
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Keep The Change
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Road to Serfdom
Posts: 3,275
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I have the Amataks on a rod and the rings look good, but the frames have quite a bit of green verdigris on them. The rods I have with Fuji's on them get about the same abuse and haven't turned green.....
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“It’s not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections,” Antonin Scalia
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02-07-2007, 11:33 PM
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Been many moons
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Aquidneck Island
Posts: 400
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishpart
I have the Amataks on a rod and the rings look good, but the frames have quite a bit of green verdigris on them. The rods I have with Fuji's on them get about the same abuse and haven't turned green.....
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I would be curious to see what it looks like if you have a pic..The same ones as that? Cause I find them to be the same quality if not better than Fuji... I have no green buildup? I give my rods a good rinse after each trip though....
I havent had any problems with the Amtak guides with Halide rings either. They are great too.
Fuji hardloys are great guides...
I have some Fuji Aluminum Oxide?(I think) guides on a store bought Tica schoolie Rod.... & they look awful after 1 season.
Heres a pic
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Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
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02-08-2007, 06:56 AM
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Keep The Change
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Road to Serfdom
Posts: 3,275
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Not as bad as that!!!! Just some green, but more than the Fuji's. My rods see some fishing before work and a good baking in the car all day, not a lot of opportunity to rinse.....
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“It’s not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections,” Antonin Scalia
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02-08-2007, 08:20 AM
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Afterhours Custom Plugs
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: R.I.
Posts: 8,642
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love the sic' for the beaches, but in the rocks i've had more than a few break- and i'm carefull with my gear. been using hardloys- pretty durable for the most part. just got a usa allstar 965 blank and i'm gonna try alconites on it.
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02-08-2007, 09:31 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Plymouth, Ma
Posts: 1,405
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishpart
I have the Amataks on a rod and the rings look good, but the frames have quite a bit of green verdigris on them. The rods I have with Fuji's on them get about the same abuse and haven't turned green.....
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I'm finding the same thing with the Amtaks..........I'm a little disappointed. |
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02-08-2007, 11:33 AM
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Been many moons
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Aquidneck Island
Posts: 400
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Amtak Halide ring. That is year & a half old. Fish mono. Been slammed on the rocks a bunch of times & got close to daily fishing during the season. It has the same frame as the titanium nitride rings. Worked out well for me. Dont think it plays nice with braid though.
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Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
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