Slobs at The Hill

[WoodyCT]

Headed down for some casting last evening and was met by an Asian family walking back to their car, which was parked right next to the light house. One of the men says, "You use san wum?" as we pass. I reply that I only use lures. He says OK and we go our seperate ways. I fished my way around to the west side and then it became clear to me why the man wanted to know if I used "san wum." He must have left his behind in the worm box that sat there on the rocks. He also left a gold kahle hook for me- with a piece of wum already attached! Is it their custom to leave behind extra bait for others who might come to fish, or are they just slobs. Given their track record of killing all manner of wildlife just so they can eat exotic foods (bear galls, tiger bones and penises, whale meat, etc.), I think it becomes pretty clear. Nature is for them to use however they see fit, and not worthy of respect. Why else would they disregard laws meant to protect the environment the way they do. Everywhere they go they leave a wake of snarrled line, wum boxes, and trash. I going to spend a day on the rocks with my camera at The Hill once the scup slaughter starts. I'll document their actions, then I'll call the DEM to come down and see what's up. Time to fight the hords that will get us all kicked out of our fishing spots.

[striprman]

sounds like a plan

[WoodyCT]

... some one should sneak out in a boat after dark and set a string of cinder blocks (with poly between them) off of the area they fish. That line floating 3 feet off the bottom should catch every friggen porgy rig that comes its way, but be too deep to affect us pluggers and slingers. How much fun would it be to sit on the rocks the next morning as all those rigs went bye-bye??? Would this be ecoterrorism?

[RIJIMMY]

I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.

[Parker650]

I've witnessed some true stupidity down there. Was there at 4:30 am on Tuesday morning and wasn't surprised at the amount of junk lying amongst the rocks.

I met a guy on the southwest point (where the calm water starts to make up to the right of the rocks out front) there on Sunday evening (same ethnicity) with two rods securely standing up, held in the rocks. When I asked him what he was using, as he sat back and relaxed against the wall, he stated "eeeewes". He surprisingly mentioned that he had been there for 3 hours and hadn't caught a thing.

Another time, there was a family of about 10 people with 6-8 rods out...you know, the kids, mom, dad, uncles, aunts...all together. I walked past them and started fishing that SW corner of the point. There was another guy (experienced surfcaster) that knew what he was doing about center-left towards the southeast corner. He hooks up and pulls in a 32 inch striper. He turns and walks it back up towards the wall and the family dad almost immediately walks down and takes up residence on the same rock that this guy was fishing on. The guy with the fish just stops and stares in disbelief and looks over at me...I just shake my head and keep watching. Next thing I know, Dad is hooked up and rod is bent over...not being familiar with reeling I guess, he is having a hard time and both myself and the other surfcaster just watch. Pretty soon I see that he is definately hooked up...with a cormorant! With all the family running around on the rocks watching Dad deal with a seriously pissed off bird, both myself and the other surfcaster pack up and leave, in disgust. On the way out, of course, I had to step over the empty squid and sand worm boxes, Walmart plastic bags and dunkin donuts cups that they left behind.

It would be great if DEM would patrol some of these areas, even just on weekends or on nice days when you know they are going to be out in force.

I see the same crap happen at the first breachway east of WH, which is probably why I never go there anymore.

[WoodyCT]

Thanks Parker. Glad to see some others see the behavior and not a stereotypes. Sorry Jimmy, but the WASPS tossing expensive wood aren't the problem WE should all be up in arms about. Unless you would rather HAVE to fish from a boat to gain access to our marine resources. Face it- it is their culture that is on display on the rocks.

[reelecstasy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.

Ditto

[fishsmith]

agree with ditto - Slobs are a diverse crowd. Can't just pin it on one culture/race.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.

Nothing PO's me more than slops that have no repect for anything. I've fished there and seen "them" allot of sterotypes exist for a reason. I know that sounds ugly, but so be it.

[Sluggoslinger]

Originally Posted by fishsmith

agree with ditto - Slobs are a diverse crowd. Can't just pin it on one culture/race.

Gotta agree there. When's the next clan meeting ?

[Parker650]

I agree...I hate stereotypes and if you notice I made only one reference to similar ethnicity and am not blaming an entire ethnic population. I think the stereotype pertains the 'slobs' more than the 'culture'. However, it is hard not associating the two when you see the same ethnic groups contributing to the 'slob' stereotype. The fact is, I've seen various types of people that don't care for the areas they fish in, litter and leave their garbage...unfortunately, most of the time it is from the same ethnic groups. Not a stereotype...just a fact.

Remember, white people couldn't dance until Vanilla Ice. Maybe we need a Captain Cleanup in SoCo to show us the way!!

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sluggoslinger

Gotta agree there. When's the next clan meeting ?

One more for the dittos.

[Saltheart]

it is long standing tradition in the public fishing spots in RI to leave your bait behind in its container for someone who comes down without money to buy bait. this has been going on since i was 4 years old and fished the west wall with squid and clams. I know that there are a lot more people fishing now and that the contaiers are mostly plastic now as opposed to paper in those days.

I think there is now a mix out there of slobs who leave behind dunkin donuts cups and diapers etc and also bait and those who are purposely closing their bait containers and wedging them in the rocks for some kid to find who can't buy bait.

Anyway , maybe it should stop now since there are so many people fishing and the containers are not biodegradeable but in fact people have been leaving bait behind for the next guy for far longer than the 54 years i've been alive.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by WoodyCT

Thanks Parker. Glad to see some others see the behavior and not a stereotypes. Sorry Jimmy, but the WASPS tossing expensive wood aren't the problem WE should all be up in arms about. Unless you would rather HAVE to fish from a boat to gain access to our marine resources. Face it- it is their culture that is on display on the rocks.

you're right, how about them buffalo? polluted rivers? was it the asians that overfished the stripers and polluted the spawning grounds. Nope, I reckon it was some clean white folks.

Here is my stereotype: Since you running into all these people and you "see" them on the rocks, it leads me to believe you are fishing in the daylight, which to me is laughable for a surfcaster and I'd basically classify you as a googan.

[lurch]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

people have been leaving bait behind for the next guy for far longer than the 54 years i've been alive.

Yep same here. I remember as a kid searching the beach and trash cans for bait when we ran out.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you're right, how about them buffalo? polluted rivers? was it the asians that overfished the stripers and polluted the spawning grounds. Nope, I reckon it was some clean white folks.

Here is my stereotype: Since you running into all these people and you "see" them on the rocks, it leads me to believe you are fishing in the daylight, which to me is laughable for a surfcaster and I'd basically classify you as a googan.

Ever been to the Hill at night? Guess not as the lanterns are a plenty...

[wheresmy50]

Recognizing that a certain group behaves a certain way is not racism if it's true.

I guess the food wrappers are left behind in case anyone needs to re-wrap their twinkie. Thoughtful little fellas they are.

[RIJIMMY]

Classifying one of the largest populations on earth by what you witness along a very small coast is not racism, its ignorance.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

Ever been to the Hill at night? Guess not as the lanterns are a plenty...

Ever been to Hong Kong, Tokyo, Bejing, etc? I guess not as the the streets are clean and people extremely friendly and polite.

[Sluggoslinger]

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;498504]you're right, how about them buffalo? polluted rivers? was it the asians that overfished the stripers and polluted the spawning grounds. Nope, I reckon it was some clean white folks. [QUOTE]

Put that in yer pipe and smoke it...

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Ever been to Hong Kong, Tokyo, Bejing, etc? I guess not as the the streets are clean and people extremely friendly and polite.

And I'm not exactly sure what the F^%$ that has to do w/anything. My point, is that the asians that fish where I HAVE SEEN THEM, are not exactly environmentally friendly. Are all asians slobs? I highly doubt it. Are the ones that fish where I HAVE SEEN THEM? unfortunately yes... The point is not that all asains are pigs far from it. The point that people always miss is that what MOST people witness fishing is minorities (asians or wahtever) that ARE pigs and disrespectful of the environment. If they were not I doubt the "sterotype" would exist. And the sterotype I AM talking about is the scup fishing minorities that allot of us witness being slobs.

Do me a favor... actually keep track of who you see fishing and their behavior. Let me know what you find. I will actively do the same.

I am tired of being politically correct for fear I MIGHT offend someone.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

Recognizing that a certain group behaves a certain way is not racism if it's true.

I guess the food wrappers are left behind in case anyone needs to re-wrap their twinkie. Thoughtful little fellas they are.

see my other post... I don't think it's fair to judge an entire group on the behavior of the subset. I DO think it's fair to judge the subset though...

[Pete F.]

Here in Vt I have never seen a person of ethnic origin other than European fishing, and there are still slobs. So I guess it's not a cultural thing.

[wheresmy50]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

see my other post... I don't think it's fair to judge an entire group on the behavior of the subset. I DO think it's fair to judge the subset though...

Agreed

[DZ]

Woody, et all,
Along with your camera bring a bag and pick up some of the litter. I've done this locally and it makes an impression. We have to educate the people who leave the litter. Show and tell. Nobody should be "stepping over the squid boxes". If you leave the litter you can kiss your spot good bye in the future. WE are part of the solution.

I hate picking it up but the consequences are much worse.

DZ

[Parker650]

Bring rubber gloves too...I wouldn't touch most of the stuff that I see with someone elses fingers!

Seriously though...I wouldn't mind doing it, but after a while it is going to get old. Especially with the numbers of people that frequent that place. It's a shame too...there is a dumpster right there when you walk in.

Collaboratively we might be able to make a difference...maybe signs on the fence along the rocks would help. I don't know but one person picking up after 100 isn't going to change anyone's habits.

[DZ]

I left out one thing - communication. Explain why. I know there is a language barrier. Talk to them the best you can. I gave out trash bags and had a family cleaning up an area of the Cliff Walk. I also gave them a little helpfull hints about tying high-low bottom rigs. Gain their trust and they will listen.
DZ

[Skitterpop]

does`nt hurt....just extra work but only minutes sometimes

[cardnial77]

while we are on this topic. i have also noticed a similar thing going on at my local fishing spot in marshfield. mabyee a great place to stat correcting this problem is at the bait shop. mabyee print up flyers to hand out. to people buying bait, about the possilbe long term consequences of littering. or even just ask the shopkeepers to help "educate". i know i am tired of picking up Mackreal bags and half used baitfish from the jetty i fish at

[RIJIMMY]

the tone that was set with the "they" and making fun of accents, just dont have much tolerance for that. i understand your issues with certain behaviors, but address the behaviors. Truthfully, in all the fishing I do, I have NEVER run into what you have described. i have however run into ignorant white people, littering beer bottles, cans, trash etc. So its an issue, just not one with one ethnicity. There is a prominent fishing club that routinely dumps its fish scraps on the shoreline, which I have vbeen told, is illegal. I see it everytime I fish. They should know better.