I'm Over It! You Over It?

[BigFish]

I am over it! Its not like the Pats lost because we fumbled on the goal line in the last minute of the game.......we got outright beat! I hear these folks whining on the radio with alot of "ifs" and "how comes"......everyones looking for a scape goat and there really is none to be found! We lost! The best team won! Hard as that is to accept.....its true.

Now its time to think about fishing!

[The Dad Fisherman]

I'm over it....no excuses. they got smacked around by the Giants "D". Plain and Simple.

The Office is REALLY quiet today though...

[eastendlu]

A game like this comes around very rarely it was played hard by both teams no excuses for winning or losing Pats can hold their heads up high.You win as a team and losse as a team so no scapegoats and ifs will win you lotto.

[Goose]

Whats the rush Larry? gimme another day

[beamie]

Me too Larry, already gone........

They got beat, they didn't loose huge lead. Few errors hear and there and the D line of NY outplayed NE O line. Done.

[spence]

3 Super Bowls in seven seasons, a perfect regular season and numerous offensive NFL records...

And people are astounded that the Pats couldn't do what has never been done, against a team they barely beat just a month prior?

Don't let the media frenzy get you down. Just because the better team won yesterday doesn't not make the Pats one of the best teams ever.

-spence

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by spence

Don't let the media frenzy get you down. Just because the better team won yesterday doesn't not make the Pats one of the best teams ever.

-spence

To be the best team ever or to have the best season ever you need to win the ring. That is the single most important thing.

[MrHunters]

the only thing i dont agree with is "the best team won"

the best team over all did not win.

Though the giants played a great game and they kept brady from doing his thing, the are definitely not the best team as a whole. They were the best team on Sunday though.

I dont understand it though... I BEAT them 45 to 3 in madden 08

[Rockfish9]

I was over it when I shut the TV off as time expired.. The team thatplayed the best and wanted it most won.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by MrHunters

the only thing i dont agree with is "the best team won"

the best team over all did not win.

The best team on Sunday won.

-spence

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by spence

The best team on Sunday won.

-spence

The way I look at it--on any given Sunday, they're 3 points apart, either way. Head to head matchups are the ones that tell.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by spence

The best team on Sunday won.

-spence

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughout the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly one for the record books, but they will not even be able to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughot the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly on for the record books, but they will not even be a ble to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

Very humbled in your loss.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughot the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly on for the record books, but they will not even be a ble to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

They'll still hold the one Lombardi trophy that meant the most to you.

I've been a gracious winner all of my life, but for you---I enjoy making an exception

[Surfcastinglife]

i still cant believe asante dropped that pick.....and rodney didnt knock that ball out....ugh

[bloocrab]

No -

Not over it. I don't even think I can explain how I feel, ......it's like getting home and finding out your house was robbed, not just the stuff inside, but the whole damm house!!!

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, (in my mind at least) the New England Patriots are the Best Team in the 2007 season, the only way this could have happened was if the Giants were taping some of the previous games and cheated.

I actually felt sick afterwards, sick, speechless, stupid - - - woke up this morning and the 2nd thought that crossed my mind was "they Lost".

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Mike P

They'll still hold the one Lombardi trophy that meant the most to you.

I've been a gracious winner all of my life, but for you---I enjoy making an exception

Mike P, please see the other threads where I give props, well deserved, to your NYG!

As far as one having greater meaning than any other one, i think that the PATS, to a man, would say that they all carry the same significance ~WORLD CHAMPION. Once you get into the rarified air of multiple Lombardi's by essentially the same core group of individuals, i think that the winning of them is what counts and not so much whether or not a perfect season preceeds the ultimate goal, or not.

How many times did they say "It is/was not our goal to go 19-0" ? To them and me, the perfection thang is more important to the media and the story writers than the achieving of each season's Primary Path, the Path to the Lombardi. I still maintain that this season, as it stands, is one for the record books and one for History. They shattered records, they continued their legacy, and they have much more to accomplish, in the years and games in front of them.

Cain't help it if the truth hurts!
Did ya see the part, above, where I agreed
that the best team WON on Sunday?

That performance, for BOTH teams, does not change the Truth about each team's regular season, post season, or the perceptions of them at those times. Most people picked the NYG to go 5-11 after their abyssmal start, right? Coughlin's and Eli's jobs were questioned more than once during their '07 campaign. The Pats, rightly so, were considered by 95% of the experts to be the GOAT in the QB, HC, and TEAM Departments. This concept of their Greatness did not happen overnight, nor can it disappear that way! Stay tuned, PATS fans for additional Days of Greatness are on the horizon.

So, because of Sunday's result do the team's all of sudden do some sort of flip-flop down is up/up is down sort of one game a franchise makes or breaks each of them? I doan think so! The Pats WILL continue to be dominant, providing we maintain our core of veteran players and leaders. Does this one HURT, Hell Ya! Gonna be a while before I'm over it, lads!! I have moved from denial into pain, though, so there is hope !

CONGRATULATIONS to the Giants for finishing the deal and pulling off one of the greatest upsets of all time. Also, they played their tails off and kicked NE's tails the whole game ~from coaching, to execution, to confidence, and to the final deserved result. WAY TO GO, GEEE-MEN!

What's next, a Manning vs Manning SB?
OHHHH Gawd! I think i just puked in my mouth,
DISGUSTING !!!

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughot the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly on for the record books, but they will not even be a ble to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

I see you came out from under your rock!!

[BigFish]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda! You want to pick one play that made the difference in the game it was Harrison and how he had Manning collared on 3rd and 5 on that last march and Manning slipped out and made that amazing pass/catch for the first down and followed it up with the game winning TD! Harrison grounds Manning on that play and the game ends the other way!

[Raven]

and time heals all wounds

so i'm workin on it...

~

some people that are gloating

have lost my respect however

and that will not change soon

[ThomCat]

Originally Posted by Raven

and time heals all wounds

Yeah and time wounds all heels. This particular heel got off the couch to shave, shower and try to do something constructive today for the first time since you know when. This is gonna take a while. It's disappointing that just about all the national mediacouldn't wait to completely dismiss all the Pats accomplished during the past season and in previous seasons and even choose to take personal shots at the most cooperative and media-frendly quarterback in the history of the NFL. Payback's a bitch.

[ProfessorM]

I guess I am .Only thing that sticks in my craw is Asante should have got to training camp and practiced his ball catching skills and it might have been a different story. Oh well better to have played and lost then to be a spectator. GIANTS are the champs. Nope not over it yet. Darn

[Slipknot]

No I am not over it and it will take a while longer for me to get over it. I accept it but I am not over it. the better team won and they deserve it, I am happy for coach Coughlin and his team. Devastated, crushed and bummed that my team missed an opportunity at history by just one play here or a few inches there It hurts and it's not going away soon.

They have gone one step further each year since their last superbowl win, hopefully next year will get them all the way to a win and their 4th Lombardi trophy.

[afterhours]

..what slip said.

[ProfessorM]

Damn, I thought I was. Not yet I guess. Thanks

[Raider Ronnie]

I guess Willie Andrews was over it !
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1071432

[HESH2]

die hard giants fan,but lets never forget tom brady took his team down the field and put them ahead,he's one of the all time greats.giants played a super game,don't forget 11 road wins.then tampa,cowboys and green bay all at their home fields,just knew giants would win.

[BassDawg]

Mike P, my larger point is to the actual Winning of them,
the Lombardi's and the ring that goes with it, and of course
the TITLE, World Champion.

I respectfully disagree, and say that to a man, that they wouldn't trade a single trophy for this trophy. They look at each season, each team, and each year individually. Each Trophy is special and meaningful within the context of that team, those players, and that specific game. Just as this year, they would not want this Lombardi, because ~~CLEARLY~~ they did not earn it, they did not play football well enough to win the SB, and the better team ~that day~ DID win the ultimate prize.

Professional atheletes, for the most part, have a respect for the game and their opponent that we as fans could not begin to grasp. Sure we can remember what it was like to win City Championships in our various sports, we could have family members that compete on a very high level; however, to be in that place and in their shoes at the highest level of performance that their sport allows is too far a reach for us as sports laeity. And I only offer what i've heard them say. Each trophy is unique, in and of itself.............and to trade one for the other would mean to replace something fought for and well-earned for something undeserved and gained ill-gottenly.

I wholeheartedly contend that the 19-0 garbage means more to us, and the stroytellers, and the media pundits than it does to the participants. It has to be compartementalized that way to maintain a healthy psyche and to be able to put this one "behind" them so they can approach next year with a "fresh set of downs"; otherwise, this game would eat them alive from the inside out and the ability to move forward from either GREAT achievement or CATOSTROPHIC disappointment would handicap and dismantle thier future endeavors.
It is essential to be able to remove oneself from the past ~be it the previous INT/CMPL, prior series of downs/TD's, the first half, the last post season, etc.~ in order to maintain focus, drive, and performance at the highest levels of execution. To do so with the utmost of effeciency, one has to participate within each moment.............play the play that is called "until the whistle blows". Keeping that mindset in mind, i doan think that for a minute that they would trade one for the other, that this is only looked upon as what it was ~a missed opportunity for greatness and a championship that has eluded them, yet again!

[wrikerjr]

BassDawg,

You are telling me that BB or Brady or any member of the other superbowl winning championships would not have wanted this superbowl more than any of the previous ones?

I find that very hard to believe, deep down you know they wanted this and they wanted to be imortalized in football and that is what would have happened. They went from immortal to inconsequental in 60 minutes, and the look on brady's face said it all. I give Brady a lot of credit because he accepted it like a gentlemen. The way BB acted said it as well.

Dynsaties are measured by the championships won and adversly effected by the championships that they lost, especially when they were upset. don't give me the 5 superbowls in 11 years crap, you know its garbage. A superbowl loss is more devestating than a championship game loss. Its a sad fact but it is true.

When you talk about BB, he will be discussed with this loss, his arrogance during this game and being outcoached. When you talk about brady and compare him to montana this superbowl loss will come up. You have to win the ones you are suppose to win in the playoffs. Notice how this message board went from are we the best ever and 19-0, Bill b. and the FU NFL tour, and mercury morris is on crack to this aint such a bad loss, 18-1 is still great, look at all these records we accumulated. The patriots know better than anyone it means squat. All dynasties know it don't mean anything if you don't win the championship.

You think samuel when he goes to bed is not thinking about how he %$%$%$%$ed up and didn't make that play. Same with alot of people on your team, to point them out with just be to time consuming. didn't pursue boss on that catch, how brady didn't make the usual hot reads, why they didn't go to the 2 rb's, why the went for it on 4th and 13. I agree by next season many of these questions will be not be pressing on their minds and may fuel them to another championship, but they will not be forgotten and they will be discussed for a long time.

Parcells said that if anyone believes that this loss does not effect you as a player or coach for the rest of your life, you are either lying or your lying to yourself. I think he would know as best as anyone.

I got an email that said positive things from the Superbowl and #1 was, some village in South America will be getting a shipment of 19-0 t-shirts. I thought that was hysterical. You guys just need to admit that it is a very bad loss and its devistating. This will hurt just like the yankees giving up the 3-0 lead hurts, and it still does.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wrikerjr

Notice how this message board went from are we the best ever and 19-0, Bill b. and the FU NFL tour, and mercury morris is on crack to this aint such a bad loss, 18-1 is still great, look at all these records we accumulated.

Just because you and BassDawg are going back and forth about this I wouldn't say the whole board is saying this. I'm pretty sure most of the board members here feel it was a bad loss and screwed them up for immortality and I haven't seen them jawing about how great 18-1 is either.