lures vs. bait - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

canalfisher · 08-14-2012, 06:28 PM

the last few years i have focused more on casting lures then bait. i;m really hooked .this year i have gotten back to bait also. i have noticed larger fish. how does everyone feel about this. thanx.

BigFish · 08-14-2012, 06:37 PM

100% wooden lures for me! Its just how I like to fish!

fishbones · 08-14-2012, 06:46 PM

There's a time and a place for both, depending on conditions.
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the point · 08-14-2012, 08:11 PM

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There's a time and a place for both, depending on conditions.
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iamskippy · 08-14-2012, 08:19 PM

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chefchris401 · 08-14-2012, 09:13 PM

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Triple agreed.

I'm not a big bait guy, whether it's chunking or throwing eels.

But certain times of year when throwing bait will produce bigger and mOre fish.

I like throwing clam bellies after a big blow on the sand beaches.

But I love plugging and throwing rigged eels.

Bait for me is time and location game only.

Whatever works for you, is the best option.
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Green Light · 08-14-2012, 09:50 PM

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There's a time and a place for both, depending on conditions.
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Amen!

numbskull · 08-15-2012, 05:54 AM

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There's a time and a place for both, depending on conditions.
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Yup.
Bait is for when you are learning to catch large fish and plugs for when you know how to catch large fish.
A time and place for everything.

Eels, of course, are for those who are really bad learners.
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spinncognito · 08-15-2012, 06:06 AM

I went from all bait to all lures and have now settled into a pattern of mostly lures with occasional bait. My thing is when I do indeed use bait I use it "like a lure"- meaning whole baits ripped or twitched to induce a strike. It is the best of both worlds in a real challenge from shore. My two biggest fish this season were caught using this method, one with a whole mac and the other a whole squid (my PB)

iamskippy · 08-15-2012, 06:23 AM

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A time and place for everything.

Eels, of course, are for those who are really bad learners.
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Hahhahahahahaha Numby this just maybe my new sig
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The Dad Fisherman · 08-15-2012, 06:39 AM

Whatever the fish wants is what I want to give them....I just wish they'd tell me in advance

DZ · 08-15-2012, 06:42 AM

People ask me, "What's the difference between using plugs and eels?"

Answer, "About 10 pounds on average."

DZ

Clogston29 · 08-15-2012, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull

Yup.
Bait is for when you are learning to catch large fish and plugs for when you know how to catch large fish (but prefer to catch smaller ones

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A time and place for everything.

Eels, of course, are for those who are really bad learners.
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plugs are more fun. eels are more productive, on larger fish anyway.

i usually only fish eels when I think I have a shot at some big fish, otherwise its just too boring (i like catching on eels, not fishing them).

riggies are a nice compromise, as much fun to fish as a plug and give you a good chance at big fish, but its alittle more mindless than plugging as there aren't as many decisions to be made. drawback is that, like most plugs, they can't match eels in deeper water. Also, the time spent making a bunch of well-made riggies is not exactly enjoyable.

afterhours · 08-15-2012, 07:05 AM

i like fishing plugs at this stage of my life. back in the day i caught many large fish on bait (including my biggest which bottomed out a chattilon 50) that did'nt count

- on my boat

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doc · 08-15-2012, 07:07 AM

wooden plugs on top...hard for me to fish other things...

Jackbass · 08-15-2012, 07:20 AM

I have never really fished bait. I know I am missing out. But the idea of sitting in a chair with a sand spike in front of me makes me want to up my Dosage of Ritalin. I can barely keep one plug on the line for more than 10 casts. Never mind waiting for
A fish to
Find my bait.
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JohnnySaxatilis · 08-15-2012, 07:21 AM

Its funny there's one beach around here where everyone fishes their own fresh caught sand eels on a hi-lo rig no matter what and drink miller lite. if you bust out a plug, ppl look at you like you're a leper. Not a mile down the shore line, everyone plugs ronz's with a 1oz jig head, if you do anything else, ppl look at you like you're a leper

I find plugging a beach and getting one or two fish, watching the strike happen and learning how to present a variety of plugs correctly is a whole lot more enjoyable than rigging a hi-lo with a piece of skinking bait, putting it in a sand spike, and waiting till it does something. probly get more fish on average, but its not as fun to me

Albie1guy · 08-15-2012, 07:34 AM

Fished a lot of bait and caught a lot of large. Nauset beach was a sea worm beach.

JohnnyD · 08-15-2012, 07:35 AM

I'd guess fresh bait (live or freshly killed) when used correctly beats artificial lures greater than 2-to-1 for getting big fish. Go out to the race or the backside and it's probably a 10-fold difference (on the rare occasion there are any fish around).

JohnnyD · 08-15-2012, 07:36 AM

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I have never really fished bait. I know I am missing out. But the idea of sitting in a chair with a sand spike in front of me makes me want to up my Dosage of Ritalin. I can barely keep one plug on the line for more than 10 casts. Never mind waiting for
A fish to
Find my bait.
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Why not do both? Any time I fish bait off the bottom, I also cast plugs to fish up in the water column.

MAKAI · 08-15-2012, 07:42 AM

Pre-pinnipeds I liked dragging fresh sand eels at night on single dropper. Especially when it was gnarly. Stupid effective on big fish when you couldn't plug or eel. Fresh raked was key. Not 3 day old crap.
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Poncho · 08-15-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull

Yup.
Bait is for when you are learning to catch large fish and plugs for when you know how to catch large fish.
A time and place for everything.

Eels, of course, are for those who are really bad learners.
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A very dumb statment from a very smart man. numbskull we have a mutal friend from this site who tells me you are a smart man and a good fisherman but I highly disagree with your statment

Jackbass · 08-15-2012, 08:12 AM

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Why not do both? Any time I fish bait off the bottom, I also cast plugs to fish up in the water column.

Not a bad idea I suppose. I generally only fish nights and hang with the family on the beach during the day so bait would probably be a good idea if I were to fish during the day.
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JohnnyD · 08-15-2012, 08:48 AM

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Not a bad idea I suppose. I generally only fish nights and hang with the family on the beach during the day so bait would probably be a good idea if I were to fish during the day.
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Tossing bait is great on the family beach trips. Not so much this year, but in the past we would regularly drive out on the Race for some family fun time - cookout, campfire, beach sports. A few of us would bring a rod each, toss some sand eels and go socialize. If a rod went off, great.

Also if there was somewhat steady action, it was a chance for people to reel in a fish that may not have a chance otherwise. My fiancee blames her dad and his family beach and boat trips for sowing the seeds of what is now my addiction.

slow eddie · 08-15-2012, 09:17 AM

not really caring if i get the worlds record, i've gone over to 100% lures. more satisfaction trying to get them to hit a plug. also more frustration at times.

BigFish · 08-15-2012, 09:33 AM

There you go Slow Eddie! Its all about the experience for me....not always about the results! I do well enough to stick with what I enjoy! Building lures and crushing fish on them is a high I will never tired of!!!

Jackbass · 08-15-2012, 09:45 AM

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Tossing bait is great on the family beach trips. Not so much this year, but in the past we would regularly drive out on the Race for some family fun time - cookout, campfire, beach sports. A few of us would bring a rod each, toss some sand eels and go socialize. If a rod went off, great.

Also if there was somewhat steady action, it was a chance for people to reel in a fish that may not have a chance otherwise. My fiancee blames her dad and his family beach and boat trips for sowing the seeds of what is now my addiction.

If you are ever out there and see a black F 150 with an SB sticker on it say hi. I am out there most weekends.
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Fly Rod · 08-15-2012, 09:50 AM

can't beat macs or pogies........plugs when there is no bait...

JLH · 08-15-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull

Yup.
Bait is for when you are learning to catch large fish and plugs for when you know how to catch large fish.

A time and place for everything.

Eels, of course, are for those who are really bad learners.
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Originally Posted by Poncho

A very dumb statment from a very smart man. numbskull we have a mutal friend from this site who tells me you are a smart man and a good fisherman but I highly disagree with your statment

I fish bait the majority of the time and I would say numbskull has it right.

Every fish I’ve caught from the surf that was over 30# has come on some form of bait (live eels, rigged eels, or fresh bunker chunks). I have come close to breaking the 30# mark quite a few times with artificials (mainly on jigs) but it hasn’t happened yet.

As someone who still has a lot to learn I focus my time on trying to figure out when and where big fish are going to be available and fishing bait gives me a much better chance of connecting with a large fish if they are in the area. Fishing this way I have figured out a couple of areas that under specific conditions have a pretty good chance of holding bigger fish. If I hadn’t put in countless hours fishing these areas with bait (eels and riggies mainly) and logging my results I doubt I would have figured them out.

I really don’t though know if I’ll ever get to the point where I will choose to fish these same spots under ideal conditions with plugs… I do enjoy fishing plugs, I’ve always loved darters and I’m really starting to like the big plugs like GRS Pikies but most of the time when I’m throwing them I’m wondering what I am missing on by not having an eel or a riggie on my line… I do have a lot of confidence in jigs and if I am going to land a good fish on an artificial I’m willing to bet that it will come fishing an inlet with some king of jig.

JohnnyD · 08-15-2012, 10:01 AM

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If you are ever out there and see a black F 150 with an SB sticker on it say hi. I am out there most weekends.
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Will definitely watch out for you. I have a Silver Dakota with a grey bedcap. No SB sticker on mine because I keep being out of town during meetups.