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Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 10:12 AM

Bush: Leaving Iraq now would be a 'disaster'
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Oh.... what has it been from day one?

spence · 08-21-2006, 10:20 AM

Yea, I listened to the press conference this morning.

It amazes me how little substance there is behind his words.

Iraq is quite possibly the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of our country...and we're all paying for it.

-spence

Swimmer · 08-21-2006, 10:57 AM

How many times can you be asked the same questions?

Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 11:26 AM

Patriotism = Accepted ignorance for this Admin

It is so very real and sad

spence · 08-21-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

How many times can you be asked the same questions?

I'm sure they'd stop if he would only give an answer

Generic response #1) This is hard work and you don't have clue

Generic response #2) Proclaim that any alternate ideas provide shelter and comfort for the enemies of the free and civilized world

That's about it.

-spence

stripersnipr · 08-21-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

I'm sure they'd stop if he would only give an answer

Generic response #1) This is hard work and you don't have clue

Generic response #2) Proclaim that any alternate ideas provide shelter and comfort for the enemies of the free and civilized world

That's about it.

-spence

What alternative idea would you be refering to? Handing Iraq over to Iran? Seriously, the entire country has been waiting and waiting to hear what this alternative idea is.

spence · 08-21-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

What alternative idea would you be refering to? Handing Iraq over to Iran? Seriously, the entire country has been waiting and waiting to hear what this alternative idea is.

The Bush policy already has effectively handed Iraq over to Iran.

-spence

Bronko · 08-21-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

What alternative idea would you be refering to? Handing Iraq over to Iran? Seriously, the entire country has been waiting and waiting to hear what this alternative idea is.

The "Anti-War Party"

does not have solutions nor any feasible alternative... just an incurable urge to point out what is not working.

Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronko

The "Anti-War Party"

does not have solutions nor any feasible alternative... just an incurable urge to point out what is not working.

We should`nt have gone there in the first place. There is your your Bush loving alternative.

"uffah!!" · 08-21-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronko

The "Anti-War Party"

does not have solutions nor any feasible alternative... just an incurable urge to point out what is not working.

Your right Bronko, but you cannot reason with the "CUT AN RUN PARTY". There the ones that got us into the last one. That you don't here them talking about, the one that lasted for 10 years.

spence · 08-21-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by uffah!!

There the ones that got us into the last one. That you don't here them talking about, the one that lasted for 10 years.

Ok, could you please refrain from such excessive irony?

In invading Iraq in the manner they did, Bush violated just about every single lesson learned from Vietnam.

The Weinberger and Powell Doctrines were to ensure we didn't repeat the same mistakes...but when idiology dictates policy...well, we have Iraq today.

-spence

"uffah!!" · 08-21-2006, 04:54 PM

"EXCESSIVE IRONY"
You can speak about that when you've been up to your a$$ in swanps and mud and jungle with people shooting at you trying to KILL you. Then you have the right to talk. Other wise, keep your mouth shut. Because what you read it the papers isn't what was happening over there.

spence · 08-21-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by uffah!!

"EXCESSIVE IRONY"
You can speak about that when you've been up to your a$$ in swanps and mud and jungle with people shooting at you trying to KILL you. Then you have the right to talk. Other wise, keep your mouth shut. Because what you read it the papers isn't what was happening over there.

I think you're missing the point...yet again.

-spence

Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 05:11 PM

Such a waste

"uffah!!" · 08-21-2006, 05:13 PM

I'M NOT MISSING THE POINT. ITS A$$HOLES LIKE YOU THAT STAY HOME AND CRITIZE. BUT DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO GET INTO THE FIGHT!!

stripersnipr · 08-21-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

The Bush policy already has effectively handed Iraq over to Iran.

-spence

Yep. That seems to be about the jist of every "alternate plan" I've heard yet.

spence · 08-21-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by uffah!!

I'M NOT MISSING THE POINT. ITS A$$HOLES LIKE YOU THAT STAY HOME AND CRITIZE. BUT DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO GET INTO THE FIGHT!!

Perhaps it's time for a Miss Manners thread

It's really sad to see you're behaving exactly like the GOP wants you to...so full of rage at your fellow Americans you're completely distracted from the policy blunders that are hurting this country.

Additionally, you're making wild character judgements based on little knowledge of the truth...this is lacking in many ways.

-spence

stripersnipr · 08-21-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Perhaps it's time for a Miss Manners thread

It's really sad to see you're behaving exactly like the GOP wants you to...so full of rage at your fellow Americans you're completely distracted from the policy blunders that are hurting this country.

Additionally, you're making wild character judgements based on little knowledge of the truth...this is lacking in many ways.

-spence

The rage I witness on a daily basis is not coming from the GOP. I've come to the firm conclusion that todays Left Wing of America is the most hateful, racist faction in America and perhaps in American history. Whats that "alternate plan" again? Oh yeah its the "We HATE Bush Plan".

spence · 08-21-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

The rage I witness on a daily basis is not coming from the GOP. I've come to the firm conclusion that todays Left Wing of America is the most hateful, racist faction in America and perhaps in American history. Whats that "alternate plan" again? Oh yeah its the "We HATE Bush Plan".

And here's where you're completely off base.

The "Left Wing" represents a fraction of America. The vast majority of anger at the President is coming from the middle and is due to POLICY rather than personality.

The entire "Hate Bush" and "alternate plan" mantras are an intellectual cop out for those to lazy or unwilling to process the facts.

You want a plan? Simple, make policy based on the world AS IT IS rather than as you would like it to be...

That's a new direction we should all be able to agree on.

-spence

Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

The rage I witness on a daily basis is not coming from the GOP. I've come to the firm conclusion that todays Left Wing of America is the most hateful, racist faction in America and perhaps in American history. Whats that "alternate plan" again? Oh yeah its the "We HATE Bush Plan".

Its not Bush.... he is too pathetic, weak, and moronic to hate. Its the power structure that is running the show that is deserving of stronger emotions.

Spence is right in that I cannot mention that this war in Iraq is wrong and a waste without the monkey demons flying all over screeching LEFT and RIGHT.
Division is what keeps us together whether we know it or not.

"uffah!!" · 08-21-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

And here's where you're completely off base.

The "Left Wing" represents a fraction of America. The vast majority of anger at the President is coming from the middle and is due to POLICY rather than personality.

The entire "Hate Bush" and "alternate plan" mantras are an intellectual cop out for those to lazy or unwilling to process the facts.

You want a plan? Simple, make policy based on the world AS IT IS rather than as you would like it to be...

That's a new direction we should all be able to agree on.

-spence

Oh, now I see. make policy on the world AS IT IS! So now your saying we should be facing road side bombs in this country instead of Iraq..
Thats real nice, now I KNOW YOU ARE A REALL "A$$HOLE"!!!!!!

stripersnipr · 08-21-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

And here's where you're completely off base.

The "Left Wing" represents a fraction of America. The vast majority of anger at the President is coming from the middle and is due to POLICY rather than personality.

The entire "Hate Bush" and "alternate plan" mantras are an intellectual cop out for those to lazy or unwilling to process the facts.

You want a plan? Simple, make policy based on the world AS IT IS rather than as you would like it to be...

That's a new direction we should all be able to agree on.

-spence

Yeah thats a plan. Wouldn't have done much to eliminate Nazism, Slavery or thousands of other issues that could have been accepted and planned around, but its a plan. (I guess). Intellectual Cop Out? Sounds like Triple inverted doublespeak to discredit the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you. And no I'm not lazy, or unwilling to process facts nor are the vast majority of those who don't agree with your point of view or accept your version of fact. I still very much support a plan that kills sworn enemies of America before they kill us. And yes we are fighting Terrorists in Iraq like it or not. Maybe they weren't there before but they are now and thats the world today AS IT IS.

Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by uffah!!

Oh, now I see. make policy on the world AS IT IS! So now your saying we should be facing road side bombs in this country instead of Iraq..
Thats real nice, now I KNOW YOU ARE A REALL "A$$HOLE"!!!!!!

Hows those metal plates in your head holding up

stripersnipr · 08-21-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Its not Bush.... he is too pathetic, weak, and moronic to hate. Its the power structure that is running the show that is deserving of stronger emotions.

Spence is right in that I cannot mention that this war in Iraq is wrong and a waste without the monkey demons flying all over screeching LEFT and RIGHT.
Division is what keeps us together whether we know it or not.

You don't have to be a Bush supporter or a Republican to realize that Terrorism is real and there are real Terrorists in Iraq and they need to die. I pretty much dont care where we choose to fight them as long as we are fighting them and its not here. If not Iraq, pick any other Muslim country and I will support that effort as well. But we are already in Iraq.

Skitterpop · 08-21-2006, 06:46 PM

It is a very rough world. As for myself, I think violent terrorists should be evaporated many time over.

I just don`t know how we can do it without these full scale wars but I wish there was a less destructive alternate route.

spence · 08-21-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

You don't have to be a Bush supporter or a Republican to realize that Terrorism is real and there are real Terrorists in Iraq and they need to die. I pretty much dont care where we choose to fight them as long as we are fighting them and its not here. If not Iraq, pick any other Muslim country and I will support that effort as well. But we are already in Iraq.

I think we all understand terrorism is a serious issue.

But the notion that we're fighting them over there in any meaningful form is simply not reality.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The Administration desires it to be so they broadcast the message and you pick up on it.

Then a Dem (Murtha) comes along and offers an alternate plan, which is trounced by the GOP.

Now agree or disagree with Murtha's plan, but the fact is he observed "reality"...that we're not killing many terrorists, but mostly Iraqi nationalists and sectarian thugs.

Iraq isn't a turkey shoot for terrorists, it's a breeding ground, as in we're making more than we started with!

-spence

spence · 08-21-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Yeah thats a plan. Wouldn't have done much to eliminate Nazism, Slavery or thousands of other issues that could have been accepted and planned around, but its a plan.

Hogwash, I'm not advocating inaction...I'm advocating objective thought!

-spence

stripersnipr · 08-21-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Hogwash, I'm not advocating inaction...I'm advocating objective thought!

-spence

Great stuff, as long as you are prepared to perform the objective thought process in conjunction with and at the same time as killing those who are planning to kill us. But if thats message the Democratic Party is trying to put forth they are failing miserably.

spence · 08-21-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Great stuff, as long as you are prepared to perform the objective thought process in conjunction with and at the same time as killing those who are planning to kill us. But if thats message the Democratic Party is trying to put forth they are failing miserably.

The Dems are in a very difficult situation. They are a "big tent" party with a variety of opinions fighting for attention. As they don't have any real leadership positions, there isn't a single message to focus on.

This is a good and bad thing. With the variety of voices you get more options, but it's difficult for the general public to process.

The GOP is completely united around a single theme, kill them before they kill us.

Unfortunately that's where the thought process stops, which is why we have so many problems today in Iraq and in the "war on terror" in general.

The answer isn't in liberalisim alone, it's in Democracy...which requires the free exchange of ideas and ultimately cooperation and compramise to function.

Today, with the GOP attempting to monopolize our system through fear we have none of this...in fact it's demonized as "unpatriotic".

History will show this to be perhaps the most "anti-democratic" administration in modern US history...and we're all going to pay the price.

-spence

jkswimmer · 08-21-2006, 08:27 PM

WHAT HE SAID