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09-11-2007, 04:45 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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Your Take on Catch and Release?
I am a big fan of catch and release, I have noticed a great increase of the killing of big fish as the Striped Bass fisheries suppose to be strong. myself I don't eat any fish or shell fish so unless my Wife wants one all my fish get released.
What is everyone's thoughts on this?
Do you think the fishery is strong enough to loose this many fish a year or do we need to think about the future?
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Surfcasting Full Throttle
Don't judge me Monkey
Recreational Surfcaster 99.9% C&R
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09-11-2007, 04:51 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: RI
Posts: 5,704
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I'm big on C&R also but I do keep the rare bass as I very much enjoy eating fish.I keep a few more blues for the smoker/grill.
If I take a keeper Fluke while plugging...ITS MINE!But that's very rare.
C&R is the majority here.
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09-11-2007, 04:56 PM
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Cape Crusader
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Ashland, MA
Posts: 323
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Tough question that no one on this site will ever agree on. My take:
1) I only eat fish I catch...I never order striped-bass in a restaurant as I don't know how it was caught...if I catch it I know it was on the up and up
2) I don't like the rules so I apply my own.....I release all large fish (over 25 lbs) that I catch and keep smaller keepers for the table on the rare occasions when I know I'm going to cook it that night...I don't put fish in the freezer because I've found too often it goes to waste
Those are the my own rules and I only apply them to myself. Anyone else can do whatever they want, in my opinion, as long is it is within the law (though I may not agree with it I keep my mouth shut).
If you break the law keeping shorts and I see you, I will call you in. Period.
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09-11-2007, 05:12 PM
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Night Stalker
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: ............
Posts: 3,605
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I doubt anything has changed as far as numbers of dead bass over the last few years. The only difference is that you see a few of them officially reported on the OTW page etc.
I think taking big fish in moderation is OK. I felt a little guilty when I took some big bass for OTW prizes and cash but then I saw a Charter Boat's report which was basically just pictures of hundreds of dead bass. I don't have any handle on how many bass and big bass there are out there but it's hard to see the large fish kills by commerical and charter boat anglers(not that the money is not tempting). At the same time this may be extremely minimal in comparison to the amount of fish taken by recreational fisherman each year. I would like to see the MA law reduced to on fish over 36" or maybe even 38" for recreational anglers.
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09-11-2007, 05:19 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 946
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99.9% C&R I might take one striper a season and one small tuna,everything else swims free.
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Fly & Light Tackle Fishing
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09-11-2007, 05:23 PM
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must find the fish
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North Shore Ma
Posts: 712
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im not an eater either. plus i just dont have the heart to kill a fish. that blue i HAD to put out of it's misery crushed me for the night and i stopped fishing for almost a week. i get depressed when people keep em. but hey. they earned em. i havent landed a keeper yet. ofcourse my idea of a keeper is still 36" but i dont intend on keeping it when i do. UNLESS one of two things happens. 1. i was sent out for a cook out to catch a bass. or 2. the thing is absolutely massive. like 40-45#+. in which case (for me) could be the fish of a lifetime and i'll be damned if its not getting an official weigh in. and by then the options are mount it or eat it. so id probably try and get it mounted. just so i can have one. if i some how manage to catch something that big more than once.. the limit would go up. to say 50-55#+ before i would consider keeping another. and so on and so forth.
if i start hooking into the current legal size and larger often. i like blitz's idea on keeping the smaller end fish for cook out food. (ya know cause of that whole thing about the bigger females producing more eggs)
but other than a predetermined cook out meal or the whopper of a life time. they will all go back. i see no need in keeping every fish because you can. especially if you are one of the lucky ones who hooks into multiple of them each year.
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09-11-2007, 05:37 PM
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: over the hill
Posts: 6,682
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Many large bass (outside of commerical season) are killed because the fisherman's need to show off and feel good about himself, but those of us who catch and release everything, should recognize that we are killing fish too. About 1/10 fish we release die (those numbers go way up when the water is warm like now), and we feel good about ourselves for doing it. So how is it different?
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09-11-2007, 05:42 PM
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must find the fish
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North Shore Ma
Posts: 712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
So how is it different?
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ya tried to give him a fighting chance to back to his life. not too mention have 9 out of 10 survive is better than having 10 out of 10 dead.
edit on after the fact:
and let me clarify.. i'm not against people keeping em. i'm more against people keeping them excessively. for instance if a guy keeps 5 a week.. almost every week. what the hell do ya need with all that fish? i cant see anyone being able to stomach 100#+ of fish a week.
Last edited by GonnaCatchABig1; 09-11-2007 at 05:54 PM..
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09-11-2007, 05:45 PM
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#9
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New Haven Ct
Posts: 957
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I love to eat fish and take my share.I almost never take two fish and when possable try to only keep the ones that are in bad shape,hooked deep or the ones that won't swim.I don't abuse the resoures,and do put plenty back.To me its is just wrong to put back a bass then go buy some cod.I love fish so I will eat my bass.
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09-11-2007, 05:46 PM
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#10
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New Haven Ct
Posts: 957
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
Many large bass (outside of commerical season) are killed because the fisherman's need to show off and feel good about himself, but those of us who catch and release everything, should recognize that we are killing fish too. About 1/10 fish we release die (those numbers go way up when the water is warm like now), and we feel good about ourselves for doing it. So how is it different?
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very well said.
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09-11-2007, 05:57 PM
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#11
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Here and There Seasonally
Posts: 5,985
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I keep my keepers. I like fresh seafood properly cared for and correctly butchered. Most seafood stores make me want to barf when I open the door. I clam , too. I started fishing and clamming at a very young age and I guess it's a tradition for me and my family to do "freezer fillers". Nothing goes to waste and we usually run short at the end of the Winter.
Having said that, there is honor in C&R. But also risk for the fish as Numbskull has stated. As long as you realize that, then it's ok. Show your prey respect.....
I can't abide abuse of any game in any way, it reeks of blasting chickadees.
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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09-11-2007, 06:07 PM
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#12
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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Agreed about catch and release, it is 8 in 100 fish will die due to being released. for some reason or another.
Oh and this wasn't to single out any one on the site it is just a general question about your thoughts
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Surfcasting Full Throttle
Don't judge me Monkey
Recreational Surfcaster 99.9% C&R
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09-11-2007, 06:57 PM
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Eels
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cape Cod,MA.
Posts: 3,333
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I release all fish after I've eatin it
J/K
I take what my Family & I will eat,I don't do it for the Golry or the sake of taking it home to say hey looky  ,I my Wife & Kids love it not to mention my mother In-Law love's it & she threats me Awesome  and my next door"older Neighbors" trade me fresh Vegies which is a no Brainer.
As the Fall window starts to close & Winter will be apon us I try to stock pile it (Vaccum seal) it to last the winter right threw Lent.
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Live bait sharp hooks and timing is all you need
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09-11-2007, 07:31 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: R.I.
Posts: 515
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Next to fluke striper is my favorite fish to eat having said that the only times i will keep a bass is if it gets gut hooked or really banged up on the rocks.My opinion is the commercial limit should be lowered and the recreational limit should be one fish per customer and the size limit should be between 26 and 36 inches for a keeper let the healthy breeders go to produce bigger fish.Probably not a popular opinion but it is mine.
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09-11-2007, 07:49 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sturbridge MA
Posts: 3,127
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I usually keep 2 fish a year, usually the second keeper, and another later in the season, usually august. The sugust fish is usually taken on an eel and lets face it they swallow the hook sometimes. Give the neighbor a fillet make a few striper cakes. Will usually keep a few more blues for the grill if they are under 5 pounds. I did give a bunch of blues away this weekend. A few less than my limits worth, i know they werent going to waste, felt a little guilty about it, and stopped before my limit was hit.
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Everything is better on the rocks.
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09-11-2007, 08:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Mid Coastal CT
Posts: 2,006
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I'll keep a few blues a year but thats about it. To me theres nothing better then watching the season's best fish pumping her tail back into the dark surf.
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09-11-2007, 08:18 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: North Shore
Posts: 1,701
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As a kid, I kept pretty much everything that came my way, and then when I got into college, I sold them. But there was about a decade or so that I released absolutely everything, never even considered it, even when people asked for them.
Over the last three to four years, I have started to keep a few every season, as I have a lot of friends and family that like fresh fish. I love to eat fresh fish that I catch, it's enjoyable to me and tastes good.
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"It was the blackest night! There was no moon in sight! (You know the stars ain't shinnin cause the sky's too tight) "
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09-11-2007, 09:00 PM
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Count on it, I'm going!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 217
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I turn the hook 99.99% of the time. My opinion is twenty eight and above is too large to eat for a number of reasons. I believe in a slot for recs.
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09-11-2007, 09:47 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Marshfield MA
Posts: 102
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i may keep around 5 fish a season. i really enjoy eating something that i have caught. to me it is kind of like eating vegitables from your own garden.
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09-11-2007, 10:21 PM
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EVERY FISH COUNTS!!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: south plymouth, MA
Posts: 727
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just like when i go hunting i will only kill what i plan to eat. i also think that they should raise the bass size limit or introduce a slot limit.
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todays schoolie is tomorrows keeper,todays keeper is tomorrows cow,practice catch and release!!!.
GOD BLESS THE NRA!!!!
ROCK AND ROLL WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!
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09-11-2007, 10:38 PM
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Seal Control
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Caver, Ma.
Posts: 3,875
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I am not a huge fan of Bass so I take very little, and what I take are 28" I think they are much better then the Large.
I just gave a friend all kinds of crap cause he kept a 47 pounder!!
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"All my friends are Flakes!!"
BOATLESS
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09-11-2007, 10:41 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Libtardia
Posts: 21,690
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I used to let most of my bass go until Mrs Nebe came up with a striper chowder recipe that blew my nogen.... no bass is safe now. Im drooling tryping this
my own personal thoughts on the fishery is that there are a lot more people fishing now than there was in the moratorium days when you couldnt find a bass to keep, and those are the people who may not realize that these fish are not to take for granted.
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09-11-2007, 11:38 PM
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President - S-B Chapter - Kelly Clarkson Fan Club
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Rowley
Posts: 3,781
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I really don't know if the fishery can support the amount of fish that are being taken, but we can only go on the various studies that are put out there. I'm not arguing for or against anything here, but you guys that support raising the size limit or some other conservation-minded change in the law, on what do you base your point of view?
personally, I think size limits should be raised because I think it is always better to err on the side of conservation, really for selfish reasons...I want the fishing to at least stay as good as it is now for the rest of my life, the moratorium sounds like a horrible thing where guys had to go catch trout (god forbid) and I hope I never have to experience one in my fishing career. at the same time, I could just be blindly following the crowd, maybe striper stocks are as strong as ever and the 28 inch thing in Mass is more than sufficient....
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09-12-2007, 06:29 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: CONNECTICUT
Posts: 851
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catch mostly schoolies.but all srtipers and blues i catch i release even the few keeper size fish i catch.the only exception is if i'm fishing with my son he wants to keep some fish to eat.
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09-12-2007, 07:47 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Marshfield, MA
Posts: 1,748
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
I used to let most of my bass go until Mrs Nebe came up with a striper chowder recipe that blew my nogen.... no bass is safe now. Im drooling tryping this
my own personal thoughts on the fishery is that there are a lot more people fishing now than there was in the moratorium days when you couldnt find a bass to keep, and those are the people who may not realize that these fish are not to take for granted.
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Eben, could you share the Mrs. recipe with us, sounds good.......
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Jon, 24' Nauset-Green Topsides, Beamie, North River. Channel 68/69. MSBA, NIBA
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09-12-2007, 08:03 AM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,203
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I keep a couple during the course of the year. I like fish and I like giving a few fillets to friends.
Last year I kept 3 this year I've kept 2.....probably keep 1 or 2 more before the seasons end.
A friend of mine once said "The Next fish I catch after the Freezer is full is the luckiest MF in the Ocean"
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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09-12-2007, 08:03 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
Posts: 3,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoobob
I am a big fan of catch and release, I have noticed a great increase of the killing of big fish as the Striped Bass fisheries suppose to be strong. myself I don't eat any fish or shell fish so unless my Wife wants one all my fish get released.
What is everyone's thoughts on this?
Do you think the fishery is strong enough to loose this many fish a year or do we need to think about the future?
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Bob,
I’m not sure what your basis is for counting the number of big fish killed each year. Only the commercials have to document their catches each year, so the picture on the commercial front is clearer than that of the recs. I think there are a lot of big fish available, and the mostly anecdotal evidence we see/hear about the recreational fishery supports there being a lot of large available coast wide. The thing is, nobody knows on a given year where the schools of large will show up. There are patterns that repeat each year, but there are always wildcards in place too. Yesteryears hot spots can become today’s duds, like the cape has, and vice versa. This can skew people's perception of how good or bad the fishing really is depending on where you fish.
Personally, I still have a commercial license, but rarely sell fish. I do keep it (license) in anticipation of getting back into boat fishing at some point. The fish I kill now are only to be entered into OTW, vineyard derby, or if the fish is my largest for the season. That said, I’ve kept a 25# fish and a 34# fish this year while releasing a lot of teens and twentys. I released a nice fish in the 30# class a few nights ago because I had no reason to take it, something I might not have done in the past.  If I take another fish this year it will have to be a potential derby winner, or considerably bigger than the 34 I have already. No need to take anything more for OTW, its pretty much over at this point.
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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09-12-2007, 08:04 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,883
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I generally don't keep bass anymore as my wife is at the brood mare stage of life and can't eat em cause of the pcb's etc. That aside, I used to keep 1 or so a season and they were always smaller. Biggest I've kept is 34" and that was more than 10 years ago. I love watching the bigger ones swim away, part of the fun for me. If/when I get a monster, its going back if it has a good shot at making it. I would like to see regs like they have on drum in NC w/a slot and all big go back. However, that is based on emotion and the science is complicated so I don't know if that is best for the fishery. I would like to see us deal with all fisheries based on what is best ecologically, as opposed to what is best for certain interest groups. Our fisheries are so completely out of whack that our baselines as to what is normal are seriously skewed. I want to see in my life rivers filled with shad, Atlantic salmon and herring so thick you can walk across them, miles and miles of bunker and 80 lb stripers and cod. Not too much to ask is it?
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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09-12-2007, 08:13 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Cumberland,RI
Posts: 8,555
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I throw most back. I think its fine to take fish to eat as you need them and catch them. As long as you obey the legal limits , i have no quarrel with the fisherman who keep them.
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Saltheart
Custom Crafted Rods by Saltheart
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09-12-2007, 08:24 AM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
Posts: 10,408
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I keep one if I want/need some fresh fish
I cant release it alive (had one the other night in current that wouldnt turn after 5-10min of trying)
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like BB mentioned, its my season best.
rest go back alive
I stay way below my legal limit, I dont think I've ever kept 2 bass in a week let alone a night, so I sleep fine.
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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