Van Staal RIP OFF - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

RIROCKHOUND · 03-31-2010, 07:03 AM

Holy %$%$%$%$ did they jack up the service charges.

I have an older model, so it should be 50.00 plus parts. Frigging parts equated to 80.00!

Time to pony up for the self service kit, and do it myself. What a frigging rip off.

luds · 03-31-2010, 07:11 AM

Yup, I'm also getting a self service kit this year.

Dick Durand · 03-31-2010, 07:14 AM

That's a significant increase. That's the nature of things, however. When they started manufacturing reels in China at a lower cost, Van Staal reaped a greater profit. The reel cost less to make, yet the price increased.

The Dad Fisherman · 03-31-2010, 07:20 AM

What were the parts they replaced that cost $80...was it just the basic seals or did the need t replaced something else.

The Self Service kit is $90.....and if you still needed additional parts you'll still have to buy those seperately.

I will agree....$130 is rediculous for service on a reel

RIROCKHOUND · 03-31-2010, 07:24 AM

The list is below:

I would have thought for a 4000ish serial number a lot of these would have been 'wear' parts as part of the service charge. If anyone knows from experience these are wear parts, let me know. The only one I can see is the roller is a non-wear.

I already sent a sharply worded email back to them.

1 SERVICE - ANNUAL SERVICE FEE 49.95
1 ORQ2 - O-RING, QUAD CROSS SECTION, BUNA .281 X .070 0.44
1 OSPR2 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .375 X .562 X .125 3.60
1 OSPR4 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .500 X .750 X .125 2.20
1 ORR5 - O-RING, METRIC, 53MM ID X 1MM CROSS SECTION, BU 1.59
1 ORR6 - O-RING, .864 INCH ID X .070 CROSS SECTION, BUNA 0.12
1 WSLCIT1 - WASHER,LOCK,INTERNALTOOTH,10-32 STAINLESS ST 0.53
1 BGRS3 - BEARING, RADIAL, METAL SHIELDED, METRIC 4.13
1 BGND1 - BEARING, NEEDLE, CAGED OPEN END, METRIC 3.52
1 BGRC1 - BEARING ROLLER CLUTCH 13.48
1 BGRO2 - BEARING,RADIAL,OPEN 3.25
1 90000 - MISCELLANEOUS PART SEE TEXT 0.00
1 SR2039 - SR200/250 SEAL CARRIER 3.28
1 VSB2024P - 200/250 SPOOL RETAINER - PASSIVATED 4.50
1 VSB2040P - 200/250 SPOOL HUB - PASSIVATED 12.93
1 ORR3 - O-RING, METRIC, 9MM ID X 2 MM CROSS SECTION, BU 0.10
1 SR3020 - LINE ROLLER 21.57
2 OSPR3 - CUP SEAL, STEEL CLAD, .750 X 1.00 X .125 4.56
4 SR3038-2 - CARBON FIBER SHEET 1MM THICKNESS 5.84
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Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 08:03 AM

Another reason I'm glad I dumped my VS 200(it was the biggest POS reel I ever owned)in 2004 and purchased Saltigas in 2005. I can't for the life of me understand the amount of service these VS reels need given the cost.

My Saltigas have been back to Daiwa once in the five years I've owned them for simple maintenance and it cost me $40 for both reels. They're(Saltigas) fished hard, dunked, slammed, sometimes kicked

and they're literally bulletproof. Don't see where VS is superior in any area besides the cost.

Sorry Brian, rant over...

Nebe · 03-31-2010, 08:07 AM

luds · 03-31-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Another reason I'm glad I dumped my VS 200(it was the biggest POS reel I ever owned)in 2004 and purchased Saltigas in 2005. I can't for the life of me understand the amount of service these VS reels need given the cost.

My Saltigas have been back to Daiwa once in the five years I've owned them for simple maintenance and it cost me $40 for both reels. They're(Saltigas) fished hard, dunked, slammed, sometimes kicked

and they're literally bulletproof. Don't see where VS is superior in any area besides the cost.

Sorry Brian, rant over...

I had the drag fail on my saltiga this past season and sent it in after the warranty period had ended. They replaced the drag system at no cost to me.

Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by luds

I had the drag fail on my saltiga this past season and sent it in after the warranty period had ended. They replaced the drag system at no cost to me.

Surprised to hear you had an issue, but the drag washers go for $25 each and the reel takes 3 washers, so they did you right on the service end.

I don't want to get this thread off course by praising Daiwa, so let's stick with the VS bashing.

luds · 03-31-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Surprised to hear you had an issue, but the drag washers go for $25 each and the reel takes 3 washers, so they did you right on the service end.

I don't want to get this thread off course by praising Daiwa, so let's stick with the VS bashing.

But I only used my Daiwa maybe 5-7 nights and I got a 40 on it. I used a van staal on 3-4 times a week all season and got one 40 fishing them. I'm just saying......

BigBo · 03-31-2010, 08:34 AM

Put a thin coat of Cal's drag grease on the Saltiga drag washers and you should be all set.

Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by luds

But I only used my Daiwa maybe 5-7 nights and I got a 40 on it. I used a van staal on 3-4 times a week all season and got one 40 fishing them. I'm just saying......

Stick with the Daiwa this year and we'll be drinking from the cup come october...

StriperSwiperRI · 03-31-2010, 09:01 AM

I've never had any problems with my Quantum Cabo's or any of my Abu's. Literally fished them everyday from May-December. I just can't justify spending that much on a spinning reel.

Sea Dangles · 03-31-2010, 09:16 AM

I've had my 200 for over ten years,I have at least ten 40's on it and I have never spent ten cents in maintenance.Never rinsed it after dunking,reel is bombproof.If BB caught fish the washers may be an issue.Ask redlite about his VS, that had no oil in it and still hammered fish nightly,what he thinks.AS FOR DRINKING FROM THE CUP;I guess I'll let you take a sip.In all fairness,the daiwa is a great canal reel.

ThrowingTimber · 03-31-2010, 09:18 AM

I got leant over the barrel by them as well this year. My serial is below 2000 so it had to go to Tulsa. 3 pages of replaced parts. And 250.00$. I mic'd out all the bearings rings and seals and I'll be ordering the rings and seals from a transmission shop. I'll be ordering the bearings in ceramic from boca bearings. I'll order parts as needed from vs directly.
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Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I've had my 200 for over ten years,I have at least ten 40's on it and I have never spent ten cents in maintenance.

That's because you're one of the many VS suck ups who probably gets the stuff for "0" thus you get compensated for saying nice things about them. As for 40's, I got more 40's on my penn 650ss(with fewer issues than the VS I owned) than you'll see in your lifetime...

Sea Dangles · 03-31-2010, 09:32 AM

I'm actually surprised you remember that far back Flap er BackBeach.

ThrowingTimber · 03-31-2010, 09:37 AM

in all fairness I will say that I do beat on my vs 300 as if it were a borrowed mule. The maintenance fee still sucks tho.
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Islander77 · 03-31-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by StriperSwiperRI

I've never had any problems with my Quantum Cabo's or any of my Abu's. Literally fished them everyday from May-December. I just can't justify spending that much on a spinning reel.

I am with Paul on this.. He fishes his Cabos daily and just oils and greases them once a year, besides roller and handle. I could not justify spending that much on a reel, I had a hard time buying a Saltist LW 20.... The cost for a VS In my opinion is just to high.. But to each there own... I fish old penns and convench so.. what do I know..

slow eddie · 03-31-2010, 10:07 AM

i do wonder just what you do get for $800.? paying 200 just for yearly maintence and parts does seam like a little much for such a high end item. i buy old used penns, made in usa. part breaks, strip a reel. good to go.

bart · 03-31-2010, 10:08 AM

I like my 704s and 706 a lot, but I want to wetsuit and swim so my next reel will be a VS. just don't have the funds

Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I'm actually surprised you remember that far back Flap er BackBeach.

You better be nice to me...

If we're ever reincarnated(you as a bear and me as a trapper) I'm going to sell your hide to the Daiwa corporation to use as a welcome mat...

Actually, you'd look better on the floor in front of the firepace at the S-B clubhouse when people come too see the Striper Cup displayed proudly on the mantle...watch out for the chocolate croissants scattered in the woods as they may become your undoing...

With any luck I'll come back as the seat on a women's exercise bike..

eastendlu · 03-31-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

You better be nice to me...

If we're ever reincarnated(you as a bear and me as a trapper) I'm going to sell your hide to the Daiwa corporation to use as a welcome mat...

Actually, you'd look better on the floor in front of the firepace at the S-B clubhouse when people come too see the Striper Cup displayed proudly on the mantle...watch out for the chocolate croissants scattered in the woods as they may become your undoing...

With any luck I'll come back as the seat on a women's exercise bike..

And be lucky enough to have this ride it

Back Beach · 03-31-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eastendlu

And be lucky enough to have this ride it

Actually, I like the trapper thing better now that you mention it...

pmbrac · 03-31-2010, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Another reason I'm glad I dumped my VS 200(it was the biggest POS reel I ever owned)in 2004 and purchased Saltigas in 2005. I can't for the life of me understand the amount of service these VS reels need given the cost.

My Saltigas have been back to Daiwa once in the five years I've owned them for simple maintenance and it cost me $40 for both reels. They're(Saltigas) fished hard, dunked, slammed, sometimes kicked

and they're literally bulletproof. Don't see where VS is superior in any area besides the cost.

Sorry Brian, rant over...

I actually got got a saltiga after a few recommendations on this site including BB and couldn't be happier.. Just sold my VS275 and plan to buy another saltiga.. I had no issues with the VS, just like the feel and smoothness of the saltiga WAY better.. plus I don't ever wetsuit or swim with my gear.. looking forward to getting some fish on it the spring!!

HowieGee · 03-31-2010, 02:24 PM

I have been thinking about getting my first VS, probably a 200 or 250. But this thread now has me thinking. I have owned Luxors, Cracks, Penns and now a Shimano Saragosa 1800, which I just landed a 100# sailfish on while in Costa Rica. Pitched the fish a live goggle eye and bam....off to the races. The Shimano Saragosa worked beautifully. Never owned such a smooth reel.

If the VS is touted as such a great reel, why then does it need such intensive service. In the past, all my Cracks, Luxors and Penns just needed a good rinse and periodic cleaning.....and all have lasted for years without replacing anything except a drag washer here and there. SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THE VSs and the ZEEBAASs. If they break down without constant service, why should they cost so much?

Howie

hardbait · 03-31-2010, 02:49 PM

I NEED TO GET A SCREW FOR MY VS WITH A BAIL HOW DO I GET IN TOUCH TO JUST ORDER A SCREW

piemma · 03-31-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by slow eddie

i do wonder just what you do get for $800.? paying 200 just for yearly maintence and parts does seam like a little much for such a high end item. i buy old used penns, made in usa. part breaks, strip a reel. good to go.

I had a VS 250. I fished it for 2 years and then sold it. I had some mild disatisfaction with it because of failure of the seals. Keep in mind I spend close to 40 years in the surf with 704/706 Penns.

Well, I am back in the surf again after a 3 year hiatus and am happy to say that last fall I fished an old 704 without issue. Now I am too old to be wet suiting around and swimming to rocks so the 704 works fine. I also bought a used 850 on flea bay that I love and my Calcuttas when I am throwing conventional. I cannot see a reason to buy another VS. Hell, I have over 100, 40s on 704s.

eastendlu · 03-31-2010, 03:00 PM

I own a 150 and 250 and both have seen extensive use and without one problem reels are a tank and easy to maintain i have never had them serviced and the 250 is US made with the nonsealed drag.

ivanputski · 03-31-2010, 03:21 PM

they say a VS will last you a lifetime... but what reel wouldnt if you continuously threw hundreds of dollars into it every few years??? I have a VS200, and i will NOT get it serviced until something is absolutely wrong... some people open them up for service just because its been a while, and regret it... if it works, let it work...