Help choosing a lamiglas blank

[ivanputski]

I am going to have a rod made, but want to be sure I select a black that I am happy with once I actually cast it, and not just hold it in a shop... I want a nice moderate/fast action 10' rod with a quick recovery. something a little faster action than the gsb 1201m

I fish RI, throw eels 70% of the time, plugs the rest of the time. I am looking for a light, fast action rod... I like a sensitive rod... something with some backbone, but not a stiff lifeless meatstick.


Anyone that can help out due to experience, I would GREATLY appreciate it... trying to get this rod before any unexpected bills come in the mail, and I want to get skunked ASAP!!!

[tattoobob]

GSB 1201 M Is your best all around Lami IMO

You can go to CMS in New Bedford as they usually have rods prewrapped

[bart]

for factory the 10ft Lami Super Surf rated 2-6oz is an awesome rod

[JFigliuolo]

Lami's (except Arra's) are NOT fast action... I'd look at the St Croix legend rods.

[Mr. Sandman]

The nicest surf rod I have is a custom SEAWOLF (Dave Fontaine) Lamiglas supersurf blank. I just had Dave make my buddy on Nantucket the same rod, really exceptional work. He is over here on his honeymoon right now and dropped it off at my house yesterday, talk about service! I am temped to fish with tonight to "test it out" but I better not.


CMS does a nice job for the $, they turn out many of the "custom" rods for local shops now. They usually have several guys making rods every time I go in there. They must do amazing volume. Several shops have given up making rods because CMS can do them faster, better and cheaper than they could. (they now get them from CMS and usually have the local shops name on them)

I think the supersurf blank (the 10' 1 pc MH ) blank has a wide range and can toss just about anything in your bag. More rugged blank than the Arra series .

[snake slinger]

gsb 1201 m

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

The nicest surf rod I have is a custom SEAWOLF (Dave Fontaine) Lamiglas

I have a Fontaine rod... UNBELIEVABLE workmanship,,,, Definitely worth the extra money and the wait....

[Vogt]

hands down gsb1201m
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[spence]

Get a 1201m and be done with it.

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[JFigliuolo]

Light and fast are NOT 2 words that describe the 1201m. at all...

[Thumper]

pete next time you come down you are more than welcome to throw my custom gsb1201m that saltheart wraped. i went from a 2 piece tica dolphine that was a fast action. it took some getting used to but i dont think i will ever own another blank especially for eelin. saltheart did an amazing job on the rod, thing casts and fights fish perfectly

[AL617]

ssu 1201m sounds like it might be a good fit for you, especially if you go custom with small light guides out to the tip, super light, super sensitive. ss101ms is the factory rod on this blank.

I dont know if I would call it fast in the traditional sense, but its faster than some of your other options while still taking a nice parabolic bend down to the butt if that makes any sense.

If the ssu1201m is too light for you, maybe the ssu1201mh would be a better fit, ss101mhs is the factory version of that blank.

also the xs101mhs is a gsb1202m blank, gsb1201m being the one piece version so if you liked the 2 piece definitley check out the 1 piece as well. dont think theres a factory rod made on that one though.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

Light and fast are NOT 2 words that describe the 1201m. at all...

Look at the context. He want's some backbone in a light package, sensitivity and to throw eels 70% of the time. He doesn't want a meat stick.

That spec fits the 1201m to a tee. Sure it's not a super fast action blank but if you're throwing eels that's an easy compromise. It's not like it's all that slow either...

He's looking for the perfect all around rod, that is the 1201m.

If you're around Tiverton feel free to come throw mine. The water is just down the street.

-spence

[numbskull]

You might talk to Back Beach. Pretty sure he has fished both blanks and god knows he has thrown enough eels to be considered a lose.......I mean.... to know what he is talking about.

[The Dad Fisherman]

1201m .......

[Pete F.]

There is a reason the GSB1201m has been around and loved for years. But do you really think that it will be the last rod you ever own? Lot's of guys have been looking for that magic rod. Just like drivers and putters, skiis and boots, horses and women.

[bassmaster]

Originally Posted by snake slinger

gsb 1201 m

and or a 1204 once ya learn the action it is fine but i have both these blanks. the 1204 ya can feel more with but it is a fast action rod so what ya spectmaster




i hate fishing its stupid

[ivanputski]

thanks for all the quick feedback guys... probably going to take a trip to cms and see what they have... will check saltwater edge also since they are pretty close to gansett. Thumper, I'll call you and definitely take you up on that... maybe tomorrow night!

[spence]

I'd call CMS first unless you're close. They keep a number of rods on the rack but it's usually hit or miss cross section of stuff.

-spence

[numbskull]

A 1201m set up the way Back Beach builds them and the old standard CMS build (although perhaps they have changed) is like two different rods.

Go slow buying a rod with a 40 or 50 mm collector unless you are very sure that is what you will need (i.e., you'll be using heavy mono on a big spooled reel) and only do so after you have held and cast something built for specifically for braid. The same guide system designed for mono is not the best choice when fishing braid. It may work, but you'll own a rod much tip heavier than it needs to be.

[spence]

Originally Posted by numbskull

A 1201m set up the way Back Beach builds them and the old standard CMS build (although perhaps they have changed) is like two different rods.

Go slow buying a rod with a 40 or 50 mm collector unless you are very sure that is what you will need (i.e., you'll be using heavy mono on a big spooled reel) and only do so after you have held and cast something built for specifically for braid. The same guide system designed for mono is not the best choice when fishing braid. It may work, but you'll own a rod much tip heavier than it needs to be.

This is very good advice.

All the stock CMS 10' rods will probably be built with a 50mm collector as they are going for versatility. If you fish braid or want to use a smaller diameter spool you may want to go smaller and move the collector up the blank. I'd think the change in guides (and resulting tension on the blank) would alter the balance of the rod quite a bit.

I've always used 20lb mono on a VS250 and find the 50mm to work well...but YMMV.

-spence

[pmbrac]

CMS built my 1201m this spring. He built it with the 50mm alconite layout.. I like this for this rod because when fishing eels I sometimes use heavy mono. Works awesome for braid as well.. I'm really loving the 1201m.

[Mr. Sandman]

[QUOTE=Pete F.;774465]There is a reason the GSB1201m has been around and loved for years. QUOTE]


Therein lies the problem. It is old technology, and I think it is heavy. The "price point" is what is keeping it around now. Arra is also considered old now IMO.

The big thing now is light and strong. really light. If you can, try before you buy and imagine fishing with it for hours. The new rods don't give you that cramp in your back/shoulder like the heavyweights do.

Take a look at the new technology, even the production stuff by loomis and st Croix and shimano.

PS...get a rod made just for braid... forget this combo stuff

[luds]

There is really good advice in the this thread. I have two 1201m's and love them and I don't think you would regret buying one but it definitely does not match the description of the rod you want. It might be with the guide set up like numbskull is talking about though. Have to disagree with BM on the 1204. Great rod but good luck finding an old1204 blank which must be what he is referring to. I think I got CMS's last not that there couldn't be another out there or that they couldn't have scraped up more somehow. The arra 1205 is a good option but possibly a litte too heavy. I have no experience with this St. Croix rods but they do look nice. If I were you I would probably go for the SSU although their quite expensive. Maybe check in with Slipknot. I believe he has one.

[Slipknot]

I'd go with the 120 1M also
you could get it factory if you wanted to, but for about the same money maybe even less why not get custom.

[zimmy]

I love both the 1201m and the 1205. I just finished a 1205 this spring with small, light guides and it is amazing how different it feels from many other 1205's (along the lines of what the above comments are saying). Either rod should fit the bill. The 1205 is a bit faster action and feels very light, but the 1201 action is perfect for eels.

[likwid]

Has anyone mentioned the 1201M?

[JLH]

Pete - I'd recommend trying as many rods as you can before having one built. I have a gsb 1201m conventional and a gsb 1321l spinner cut to 10 feet. You are welcome to try either we can meeting up in RI or at the next CSA meeting.
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[Saltheart]

The 1201M and the XRA 1205 would be good candidates IMO. The Loomis 12266 is much faster action , you also should consider the new century blanks that are available.

Be very careful about 1 dimenional advice about big guides vs small guides etc. What people will classify as cone of flight vs concept and how one is better for braid is an extremely narrow discussion of what's available to you in a custom rod. The builder needs to know more than just braid or mono. he can also offer many variants of a "concept" build. Perhaps the rod and reel and lure combinations you will want and your casting ability would mean you are a candidate for a Low Rider set up. Poeple throw that around too and a fast action blank may further justify that but do you really want a classic Low Rider. Many buiulders might suggest a modified Low Rider with LC's as gathering guides but switching to MN's at or after the choker. Most don't even know the difference between their gathering guides , reduction guides , chokers and running guides.

Its a complicated business and if you will be spending good money , as you will if you are considering an SSU , you owe it to yourself to discuss it all with a builder , not a guy who is a guide wrapper, a high volume off the shelf dealer or a typical user. There's a place for all those people and a low price that justifies it all but if you will be considering spending a lot of money , talk to a builder.

[luds]

Also willing to let you take a few of my rods for a spin if you're in my neck of the woods. I have a 1205, 1201m, and a 1204. Working on an ssu 1201 right now. Like someone said......stay away from the factory gsb. You can get a semi custom from cms for nearly the same price and it will have a handle thats long enough and fit for the surf.