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Old 12-12-2003, 11:04 PM   #1
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Angry Give This Colonel a Freakin' Medal...



U.S. officer fined for harsh interrogation tactics

TIKRIT, Iraq (CNN) --The commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division's on Friday accepted a U.S. military investigator's recommendation and ordered administrative action against Lt. Col. Allen West, who was accused of using improper methods to force information out of an Iraqi detainee.

Following a military hearing, West was fined $5,000 over two months, according to West's civillian attorney, Neal Puckett.

The punishment does not affect West's eligibility for retirement and pension, Puckett said in a statement.

West, 42, will be assigned to the rear detachment of the 4th Infantry Division awaiting the processing of his retirement request, the statement said.

Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the 4th Infantry's top general in Tikrit, could have rejected the recommendation and ordered a court martial. If he were to be found guilty at a court martial of the two articles against him, West could have faced 11 years in prison, a military prosecutor told CNN.

The case stems from an incident August 20 at a military base in Taji, just north of Baghdad, when West was interrogating an Iraqi policeman, who was believed to have information about a plot to assassinate West with an ambush on a U.S. convoy.

In testimony at an Article 32 hearing -- the military's version of a grand jury or preliminary hearing -- West said the policeman, Yahya Jhrodi Hamoody, was not cooperating with interrogators, so he watched four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion beat the detainee on the head and body.

West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors say West followed up on that threat by taking the suspect outside, put him on the ground near a weapons clearing barrel and fired his 9 mm pistol into the barrel.

Apparently not knowing where West's gun was aimed, Hamoody cracked and gave information about the planned ambush on West's convoy, thwarting the attack.

West said there were no further ambushes on U.S. forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.

"I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers," West testified to a military courtroom of observers and some teary-eyed troops formerly under his command.

Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."

Puckett argued that because West is always accompanied by U.S. troops that he acted to save American lives.

But while West's supporters call him a hero, military prosecutors said his actions amounted to torture and violated articles 128 and 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Prosecutor Capt. Magdalena Pezytulska said West should be tried for assault and for communicating a threat. "This is a case about a man who lost his temper," she argued. "There are consequences for [West's] actions."

When West testified that he had "no malice toward Hamoody" and that he "just wanted information," Pezytulska presented a document of West's typed statement following the August incident. She asked him to read his own written words to the court: "In my anger, I couldn't remember how many shots were fired."

After nearly 20 years of military service, West plans to move his family from Texas to Florida, where he said he hopes to start a new life.


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Old 12-13-2003, 12:23 AM   #2
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I figured that was the right way to treat all of them scum

to him!
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Old 12-13-2003, 11:55 AM   #3
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Sounds like we lost another good man. A little harsh in his methods, but he got results. Damn shame.
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Old 12-13-2003, 01:47 PM   #4
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It's a shame, but we follow a set of guidelines that specify we need to treat prisoners the same way we expect ours to be treated regardless fo how others treat our prisoners we have a responisibility to safeguard enemy soldiers in our custody. He was lucky he got what he did...................

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Old 12-13-2003, 02:21 PM   #5
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I agree Fishpart, on 9-11 a group of terrorists tried to change us as a people. Deep down they know they can't destroy us anyother way. I think they have started to succeed if we start breaking our own rules of engagement. If human rights , no matter how inhuman we consider our enemy to be, are disreguarded, then we have changed, we fight by their rules. I have no qualms about crushing an enemy, but it must be done by our rules. He sounded like a good officer, hence the shame of it all.
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Old 12-13-2003, 06:44 PM   #6
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The issue with LtCol. West is about how he got the info as fishpart said we would not want our enemies pulling that crap on us. On the other hand he wanted to protect his men, which is cool with me. I like to kick the son of a bitch in the ass who told the brass about the incident. He should join the other side.....what a #^&#^&#^&#^&.
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Old 12-13-2003, 06:56 PM   #7
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Your right Duke..Its to bad our enemies dont follow the same code...I'm sure West would love to know who turned him in..When in Rome do as the Romans do.......

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Old 12-13-2003, 09:04 PM   #8
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He had a lousy position to deal with but he did break a bunch of the rules in the process and those rules need to be adhered to WHEN brought to attention. I'm glad they did not hold a Court Martial. I DO feel sorry for the Colonel

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Old 12-13-2003, 11:14 PM   #9
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Who knows how many troops he saved..Including himself..

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Old 12-14-2003, 07:22 AM   #10
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I don't see anything wrong with what he did. The end justifies the means. West and his men could have just as easily been flown home in flag draped coffins if the information hadn't been extracted.
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Old 12-14-2003, 08:05 AM   #11
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Exclamation

You're dealing with guys who fight dirty.

You can't fight "fair" in a dirty war.

If your opponent fights dirty, you fight dirty too.

There are no rules in warfare except to win.

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Old 12-14-2003, 09:12 AM   #12
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weewee right on!

these guys fighting like street corner thugs...I think we should givem a taste of their own medicine.
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Old 12-14-2003, 09:43 AM   #13
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Uzi's at 50 ft. blast the crap outta them.

I like Andy Sipowitz also

The guy did what he had to do, nothing wrong with that.
What do they expect, the guy to give up the info just like nothing? oh sure, just ask him nicely and he'll cooperate
I would have done the same thing if those were my men. He saved American lives, if they didn't get the info and they all got killed then who gets blamed for that for being soft knowing they had a suspect with the info on the pending attack? How can you win? just like he did, he GOT THE JOB DONE.
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Old 12-14-2003, 09:58 AM   #14
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Question

Can we get West to interogate Saddam?
Sounds good to me..
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Just heard they caught Saddam last night..Hope they didnt hurt him.

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