Gas Prices Reaching All-Time High - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

fishweewee · 03-16-2005, 10:06 AM

Gas prices are expected to go way up in the near future.

Regular (89 octane) in some places could go as high as $2.50/gallon or more!

Is this gonna put a dent in your fishing?

Major drivers of rising gas prices include:

1) Higher seasonal demand as people log more miles when the weather gets warmer.

2) India and China are hogging demand to accommodate industrial output.

3) Complex patchwork of clean air laws that vary by state which refiners have to deal with when formulating refined product.

fishweewee · 03-16-2005, 10:15 AM

One more thing...

Later in the season, it would also be helpful to point out where people can get the cheapest gas in their neck of the woods.

Krispy · 03-16-2005, 10:22 AM

FWW, check this site for local prices...
Gasbuddy

JohnR · 03-16-2005, 10:23 AM

And the sinking of the dollar? How much impact does that have on the price of a barrel?

It's gonna suck this year...

Flaptail · 03-16-2005, 10:29 AM

I feel for those that live 100 miles or more from the Cape or any seashore for that matter. 21 Years ago I chose to move to the Cape because the writing was on the wall as far as real estate prices were going ( my mortgage payment is only $424.00 a month with taxes), gas lines in the 70's and 80's foretold higher demand and higher prices. I own a smAll SUV ( 2 Door Blazer S-10 HY-RYDER ZR-2, a small boat ( 14' foot Mirrocraft 1969 deep fishermen model with a 2003 18 HP Nissan electric start 2 stroke that runs two days on 6.5 galllons of reg. gas.) The canal is 11 minutes from my House, Barnstable Harbor 20 minutes, Ramp in Woods Hole to launch to fish the Elizabeths 10 minutes, Nauset 35 minutes and Race Point 55 minutes. Oh yeah, the ramp in East Falmouth to launch to fish for Albies and Bonito is 5 minutes away. The way I see it if gas goes to 2.50 a gallon I still

got it #^&#^&#^&#^&ed!

missing link · 03-16-2005, 10:39 AM

all i have to say is thank god the boat has a full tank now!

Karl F · 03-16-2005, 10:43 AM

you might be saving even more gas and sticker money Flap... no beach
even less now
Nauset might not even be selling stickers due to the erosion, or limiting time of beach travel to the lower tides.... keeps washing over at Pochet, and #4, and #7 and #8..
have not heard that out of P-town yet, but from what I saw up there, well it ain't as tore up as Nauset, but it ain't rebuilding either, might not be worth getting a sticker, even if they sell 'em.... I know some local guys who swore they'd never boat fish, well, they're out looking at used boats.......... ramps are a freakin horror show now, this summer is gonna be interesting......especially if theres a glut of more newbie boat users

think parking lots, get your legs in shape, and lots of walking.

fishweewee · 03-16-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Krispy

FWW, check this site for local prices...
Gasbuddy

Thanks Chris! Very helpful.

whiplash · 03-16-2005, 11:09 AM

between the erosion and gas prices I don't think I'll be making enough trips down cape to warrent buying a sticker for the seashore

. I guess Cotuit will be my east and Newport my west this year and a lot more canal fishing

Fishpart · 03-16-2005, 11:21 AM

I forsee a busy summer driving back and forth to Lake Wallenpaupack. If I spring for an out of state license might be worth taking some eels. Just like here shore access is an issue.....

Do the math. In my Accord we're talking $0.0011 per mile difference between $1.89 and $2.50..........

basswipe · 03-16-2005, 12:22 PM

I'll be limiting my fishing to the island.

Many friends of mine are shellfisherman.If this continues many of these guys won't be able to AFFORD to work.

Diggin Jiggin · 03-16-2005, 12:23 PM

So lets see, if I take the rod racks off the jeep and put them on the civic, I get 3 times the mileage. So if I follow thru on the math, I think that must mean I get to fish twice as often

fishweewee · 03-16-2005, 02:46 PM

Looking up interesting stuff on alternative energy for home and auto.

Wonder if anyone here has experience with LNG/CNG/ethanol cars. Most of what I see out there is for commercial customers (and not average folks).

Here's a cool home solar power link:

http://www.homepower.com

Mr. Sandman · 03-16-2005, 03:24 PM

Yep it is gonna suck. 135 gal in the boat gets me about 2-3 weeks of fishing if I don't go crazy. But to me it is worth it.

Gas on MV now is 2.63/gal for reg. I just put $65 in my Yukon XL. Some are thinking...THAT'S INSANE but considering there is no place to go and I really don't drive that far and the last time I bought gas on island was October 04. (I went off in Dec and Jan to go skiiing and tanked up prior to my return) This tank full will last me 6-8 weeks easy. During high fishing season I will tank up every two weeks and every week during the derby and I feel some pain, but again it is worth it.

For the boat my fuel is cheaper at the dock then at the street pump. I get a sizeable discount because I hold a comm fishing lic....but I haven't sold a fish since 1982. Thats right....the reason I buy the stupid comm fishing lic to get my fuel cheaper

. In one fill up I more then pay for my lic.

IMO We need to drill off Alaska and just the threat of us doing that will collapse the price. We don't have to pump much but just enough to control the Arabs.
BTW we have reserves in Alaska to completely sustain our own needs for over 200 years at over 100% ov todays capacity (and that is just what we know about). Imagine what would happen to the Arab price of oil if we said, ...."I don't think we will need any this year, maybe next year....thanks". IMO we could hold the price at $1.00/gal for then next 500 years if we wanted to. Its time to play hardball with these guys.

fishweewee · 03-16-2005, 03:31 PM

Screw the Middle East. Let it all fall apart for all I care, let the region drown in its oil.

If you do a search on alternative energy and cars (or LPG or CNG or Ethanol conversions) ... you'll pick up some interesting stuff.

The U.S. auto manufacturers have been slow to pick up on more fuel-efficient technologies - while there are a few electric vehicles out there they are only being sold in certain states like California. The Japs are further ahead. No surprises there.

We won't be seeing mass-produced hybrid cars until 2007.

Which is a damn shame, given GM's bad news this morning.

-WW

BigFish · 03-16-2005, 03:32 PM

Yeah, high gas prices suck, but I am still going to be driving to the Cape 1 or 2 times a week....it will not ruin my fishing that is for damn sure!

S-Journey · 03-16-2005, 04:15 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...n_oil_drilling

BigBo · 03-16-2005, 04:28 PM

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IMO We need to drill off Alaska and just the threat of us doing that will collapse the price. We don't have to pump much but just enough to control the Arabs.

Abso-F'ing-lutly.

I know Spence is gonna disagree, but this is what needs to be done. We need to be self sufficient and stop depending on people we can't trust to begin with.

S-Journey · 03-16-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBo

Abso-F'ing-lutly.

I know Spence is gonna disagree, but this is what needs to be done. We need to be self sufficient and stop depending on people we can't trust to begin with.

They approved drilling the wildlife refuge, check the link....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...an_oil_drilling

Squid Hound Bob · 03-16-2005, 05:08 PM

Wait till you guy's get aload of the new fees the towns are going to impose this year.One of them is called a water way usage fee.That is for all boats trailered or not.Then the boat ramp fees are being increased too.

S-Journey · 03-16-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by S-Journey

They approved drilling the wildlife refuge, check the link....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...an_oil_drilling

That link no longer works, try this one

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

BigBo · 03-16-2005, 06:21 PM

Saw that news.

Many towns have been charging waterway usage fee's for a while now.

Diggin Jiggin · 03-16-2005, 06:30 PM

I am ok with them drilling in alaska if they do it responsibly. But I bet we will not see this have any impact upon the price of gasoline.

The problem is not just the price of crude, it lies as much with our own energy infrastructure, the capacity to store heating oil and gasoline, our oil refinery capacity and our energy policy. It really seems like the refiners are basically holding all the cards. I just went to ask.com and did a search on US refinery capacity, as I knew I'd heard some funny stories about this... I'll throw in a link to it...

Here's the bottom line. Since 1981 the US oil refiners have closed 50% of the US refineries. So even if we had more crude, they could not refine more of it. They could build new facilities and refine more, but they have no incentive too. Until the govt steps in nothing will change, and with our energy friendly president don't hold your breath. Basically the refiners, like any good business, try to produce just enough to meet our needs. They want to operate to the minimum capacity needed, and they want HIGH prices for the gas that they produce.

Hey, if you can make 50 cents on a gallon of gas, or produce 2 gallons and make 25 cents per gallon, which would you rather do.... They make the same money either way, so why do more work?

I know this is a really complex issue and I am just looking at one little piece of it, but I really think that the only thing that will change when we get oil from alaska, is that the company that gets the oil rights to drill the oil will make a ton of cash, the refineries will get the crude cheaper so the oild companies will make a ton of cash, but there is very little incentive for them to pass along the savings to us. Did anyone notice when we had the gas price spikes last year that the oild companies recorded 'record profits'.

Its not like we are going to stop driving our cars. They will not produce More gas, so there will never be a glut of gas, which is what you would need to really see prices come down...

http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html...sp7=local_news

Raider Ronnie · 03-16-2005, 07:57 PM

1 thing I can't figure out, other than a high demand!
Why is diesel much higher than gas?
Gas has to be much more costly to probuce and refine than diesel!!!

fishweewee · 03-16-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Why is diesel much higher than gas?

1) It's taxed fairly heavily by states because it's dirtier than gasoline.

2) During the winter, low sulfur diesel is consumed as heating oil. The colder the winter, the higher the prices.

Got Stripers · 03-16-2005, 08:17 PM

Not this year sadly, boat is on the market in RI as soon as the windshields come in. I'll be boatless soon hopefully and then I've got some other baggage I have to shed

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seabuggy · 03-16-2005, 09:02 PM

Bob, quit complaining about the boat fees. You live in Fairhaven, all you pay is $1/ft. The out of towners will pay $3/ft. Me too, more money for crabs. With new federal regulations, I wonder what pogies will cost. There must be three feet of snow around my boat. Snow has been sliding down the canvas cover and piling up around the boat.

Goose · 03-16-2005, 09:23 PM

heavy drinker/ heavy smoker or whatever,, I'm gonna get my fix no matter how high it goes.

TheSpecialist · 03-17-2005, 12:52 AM

My buddy owns a gas station. He had to order gas today, if the truck was there before midninght he got todays price, if it was'nt it was going to be .04/gal more. He told them if the truck does'nt get here by midnight, he was dumping them as a supplier.. The truck showed at 745pm.

fishweewee · 03-17-2005, 01:15 PM

I've got a bad feeling about gas prices for this upcoming season.

I think it will make more of an impact than most people realize.

Save up those gas pennies...