Race Point - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

jkswimmer · 07-17-2005, 11:13 PM

The rangers are closing the point to all travil at night. It was closed Sat. and Sunday nite and they say it will be for two or three more nites.

afterhours · 07-18-2005, 06:37 AM

yup- was down there sat and they closed south access to hatches at 8:00. they left about 1 mile at north access open but there must have been 1000 people there, we left.

BigFish · 07-18-2005, 06:41 AM

Stupid plovers....can you believe all this fuss over this small bird that will only wind up as fox/coyote food anyway? Doesn't anyone realize it is causing the extinction of the flatfooted upright walking opposable thumbed surf fisherman at the Race?

Glad we pay $150.00 for use of the beach.....how much do the f'in plovers pay????

Raven · 07-18-2005, 06:56 AM

the plovers have a role in nature to play....what that exactly is i believe, is still unknown.

protecting them though is the right thing to do...just not on public beaches.

thats whats wrong with the whole hair-brained plan.

a varmit proofed area near some coastline can be created by
wildlife biologists with the correct grasses planted as well
that would do a much better job. then that beach is closed forever.

because humans frequent the beach and are a source of food for predators to
take advantage of...their numbers are way to high for any plover survival.

Salt · 07-18-2005, 05:09 PM

Cape Hatteras has only 13 out of 71 miles of beach open because of those little birds. Noone has seen 'em though....except for a few Park Rangers and bird people

Salt

afterhours · 07-18-2005, 05:27 PM

what do those little sobs' do for anyone or anything?

bring a cat fishing and leave it!

Backbeach Jake · 07-18-2005, 07:36 PM

We used to be able to drive to Long Point and Wood End. Why can't the plovers be happy with that?

JHABS · 07-18-2005, 08:04 PM

It's the Begining of the END.......... There will be No more

on the Beaches

I Think..............................

BigFish · 07-18-2005, 08:24 PM

I agree with Habs but it won't be because of the plovers....the way Mother Natures rath is encroaching on the shoreline......soon there will be no more beach to drive!

piemma · 07-19-2005, 04:42 AM

There may be no more beach to drive in the future but the Feds have been taking our rights on the beach away since JFK declared the Cape Cod National Seashore. The bird folks and the Truro residents have a very, very strong lobby going against us.
I drove the beaches for 30 years and quit 3 years ago because it's not fishermen anymore. Go to the back any day in July or August and you will find 100 trucks with grills, sun shades, tube floats. It's like Coney Island. You can still find fish but since the Feds close everything within a half mile of the Mission Bell what the hell is the use. No Laures, 2/10s hole, Peaked Hill Bar or High Head unless you crawl in the back way and that's probably closed for the birds also. We use to drive 600 miles every weekend. 2 round trips. just doesn't make sense anymore.

Mr. Sandman · 07-19-2005, 08:42 AM

The reason our beaches are closed is because of envirnomental whackos. You can't say a thing about the plover without being ganged up upon by people who have never been to the beach who think they know whats best.

Flaptail · 07-19-2005, 09:08 AM

Once again the lobbyist for the Conservation Law foundation, Sierra Club, The Animal Welfare fund, PETA and the Audobon Society have been able to push through laws that will restrict the impact of human use on animal species. Trouble is is that there are way more recreational and commercial fisherman than the total memberships of those organizations but they do a much better job or representing thier views than we do of ours. Sportfisherman have always been a distant second when trying to organize themselves into a powerfull lobby. The money is there and the numbers are there but the willingness to get out and get organized is not, so...........

oke:

fishweewee · 07-19-2005, 09:12 AM

Piss on Plovers. Put People First.

likwid · 07-19-2005, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piemma

There may be no more beach to drive in the future but the Feds have been taking our rights on the beach away since JFK declared the Cape Cod National Seashore.

National Seashore or rows of private property/million dollar homes.

pick one.

JFK GAVE you access, if it wasn't for him there'd be no PUBLIC beaches.

Flaptail · 07-19-2005, 10:00 AM

Still with it's inherent faults it was the very best thing that ever happened to Cape Cod. I shudder to think what Truro, Wellfleet, Eastham and P-town outer beaches would be like without it. Best thing JFK ever did beside boff Marilyn!

piemma · 07-19-2005, 10:13 AM

Flap:
I agree. It would be wall to wall million dollar condos with no place at all for us.
Funny story. It was about 10 years ago and there was a group of us fishing the Second Rip. There was a fenced off area for Mrs. Plover and family. Everyday we would see a Golden eagle sitting on an old post at the edge of the dunes. He was methodically picking off chicks one after another. I guess he couldn't read the do not molest the plover signs.

Rockport24 · 07-19-2005, 10:40 AM

wow, I think Flaptail has a good point here, why don't we as a bunch of surfcasters get together and take some politicians out to expensive dinners and give them expensive wine and kobe steak and try and get them to see things our way? and amen on the million dollar condo thing, in Rockport, MA I look at the map and

over great looking shore spots, but there is no access because it is owned by some CEO with no trespassing signs everywhere....and don't even mention the parking situation up there.. then they wonder why their tourism revenues have seen a decline lately and they think legalizing alcohol is going to solve it, guess what people, if there is no where for anybody to park and they get ticketed on a sunday than how can they go drink alchohol in your restaurants!!
but I digress...

piemma · 07-19-2005, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by likwid

National Seashore or rows of private property/million dollar homes.

pick one.

JFK GAVE you access, if it wasn't for him there'd be no PUBLIC beaches.

Once again you have distorted what I or many others post. I did not say I had a problem with JFK. I merely stated that he set aside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Perhaps you should give reading a try before you put pen to paper.

oke:

Karl F · 07-19-2005, 11:28 AM

I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset.... lot of mixed feelings on the seashore... I'd like the 35 miles back, that we used to be able to access by buggy... even if it was like certain other areas.. 7PM till 7AM, lot of nice structure no one will ever get to anymore.

(note, no kennedys were mentioned in this post

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JohnR · 07-19-2005, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockport24

wow, I think Flaptail has a good point here, why don't we as a bunch of surfcasters get together and take some politicians out to expensive dinners and give them expensive wine and kobe steak and try and get them to see things our way? and amen on the million dollar condo thing, in Rockport, MA I look at the map and

over great looking shore spots, but there is no access because it is owned by some CEO with no trespassing signs everywhere....and don't even mention the parking situation up there.. then they wonder why their tourism revenues have seen a decline lately and they think legalizing alcohol is going to solve it, guess what people, if there is no where for anybody to park and they get ticketed on a sunday than how can they go drink alchohol in your restaurants!!
but I digress...

What if there was some New England based saltwater angler consortium that included all fishing clubs, websites, bait and tackle shops? Think the RFA but more directed to pulling everyone together instead of being a nother "group". The RFA model is close but I don't know if it goes far enough??

Mr. Sandman · 07-19-2005, 11:38 AM

OT: Speaking of Kennedy, TODAY is the 36th anniversary of the night Teddy left Mary Joe to DIE on chappy. I think tonight I may pay the old bridge a visit and make a cast or two.

everything you want to know about the event....(with photos)
http://www.ytedk.com/

likwid · 07-19-2005, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl F

I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset....

Westport and South Dartmouth.

Nuff said.

likwid · 07-19-2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piemma

Once again you have distorted what I or many others post. I did not say I had a problem with JFK. I merely stated that he set aside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Perhaps you should give reading a try before you put pen to paper.

oke:

Distored? You were complaining about the feds taking away rights.
If I was gonna say you had a problem with JFK I'd have asked if you were jealous about how much poontang he got.

BFD, they close it for a bunch of birds. It dosen't last all season.

And if it wasn't turned into a national seashore I'm sure the Kennedy's and their buddies would have a nice long row of houses along with million dollar condos lining the rest of the area.

There's more money in property taxes from that crap than there ever would be from town beaches etc. and certainly more jobs for the locals.

Karl F · 07-19-2005, 11:44 AM

likwid.. Nauset generates about 1.5 mill per annum, not bad for a small parking lot and 7.5 miles of unbuildable beach.

likwid · 07-19-2005, 11:51 AM

Thats impressive, I'm sure property taxes on super exclusive gated communities would generate that in a couple months after seeing how they do in other areas like Padanaram/Mishaum Point/Col. Green's and out west in areas like Newport Beach, San Luis Obispo.

And nothing is unbuildable... Ever been to Malibu?

Karl F · 07-19-2005, 11:58 AM

U never tried to get a permit in the peoples republic of Orleans

took me three months to process permit for a 12 by 12 tool shed, and barely got it!
All camps out there built after 1959 have been ripped down... and there is some rumblings about the lack of title 5 compliance, and the fact that none have Occ. Permits... they all might go

..... tax rate is under 5 bucks per thou as well

likwid · 07-19-2005, 12:02 PM

You can have any permit you want if you have the money to afford it.

You should see the massive complex being built down on Mishaum right now.

Sweetwater · 07-19-2005, 03:37 PM

I agree with the sentiment that if all the surfcasters got together, we'd have an impressive lobby. Recreational fishing on the Cape is a multi-million dollar industry when you consider gear, gas, tackle, restaurants, hotels, and all the services that anglers use. Problem is, organizing recreational fisherman is like herding cats. We are by nature a secretive bunch.

But we can put some pressure on the authorities that be (see the other thread about MPAs). All we want is "reasonable" access to a resource that belongs to everyone.

Slipknot · 07-19-2005, 09:09 PM

Yep, Time to start writing letters to all the polititions and get them informed.

I was pissed it was closed to, but I parked and walked a mile and a half both morning before sunrise because I am nuts. Ya can't catch them if they are not in front of you, so go where they are. Are there any bicycles with big balloon tires that can be ridin on the sand?

I want a canal bike for the sand.

ProfessorM · 07-20-2005, 06:53 PM

Classic. That's a great idea. Probably have to be a 3 wheel though. Lets proto one. Probably against the law though. Paul