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Old 01-12-2006, 12:19 PM   #1
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Todays CapeCod Times, Herring Decline

By DOUG FRASER
STAFF WRITER
Some look for the forsythia bushes to bloom, or the daffodils, but for Gayle Condit, it just wouldn't be spring without the annual herring migration.

For more than a mile, these fish are harried by predatory gulls as they battle their way upstream from Cape Cod Bay, up Paine's Creek in Brewster to Stony Brook, climbing the stony steps that lead past the old mill into a string of inland ponds where they spawn and die.

For tens of thousands of years, its been a ritual of spring from Newfoundland down to the Carolinas. But that migration is now in jeopardy.

This past fall, the state Marine Fisheries Commission passed a regulation banning the possession of any river herring for the next three years because, since 2000, the number of river herring and a similar species, American shad, has been dropping at an alarming rate.

''We had a drastic decline last year,'' said Dave Cavanaugh, the fish warden at the most prolific herring run in the state, the Nemasket River in Lakeville and Middleboro. The run was down to just 400,000 fish from 2 million in 2000. That decline was mirrored at nearly every run in the state and throughout the Northeast, said Phil Brady, the fishery scientist in charge of river herring and shad for the state Division of Marine Fisheries.

The Bournedale run, for instance, was down to just 102,000 fish last year, less than a fifth of what it was in 1996 when 536,000 fish made the pilgrimage. The Cape alone has almost 40 herring runs, and Brewster's Stony Brook is one of its largest and most picturesque.


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Condit's husband, Dana, is the longtime chairman of the Brewster Alewife Committee, and they live just up the street. They never installed an electric counter like the one at Bournedale, but, after a lifetime of watching the run, they knew something was wrong.

''We just kind of know it. The run is good, but not as good as it has been,'' Gayle Condit said.

Habitat loss, herring runs that were overgrown and not maintained, or were blocked by some man-made obstruction, plus overfishing of herring as they migrated inshore led to depleted numbers. But large-scale fishing on river herring and shad for bait and fertilizer ended just over a decade ago, and there's no shortage of juveniles returning to the sea each year.


''That leads us to believe there is something going on out in the ocean,'' said Michael Hendricks, a fisheries biologist with the State College of Pennsylvania and chairman of the river herring and shad technical committee for the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission.

''We can't explain the drop in adult returnees, unless there is a source of undocumented mortality at sea,'' Hendricks said.

Cavanaugh, and others, point to a greatly expanded sea herring fishery that has brought large midwater trawl-fishing vessels into inshore areas catching abundant stocks of sea herring that are different from river herring in that they don't migrate inshore.

River herring and sea herring look a lot alike and they both can school in the same offshore waters.

Hendricks' committee has asked the Atlantic States Marine Fishers Commission to get the National Marine Fisheries Service and the New England and Mid-Atlantic fishery management councils to look into whether river herring are being caught along with sea herring.

NMFS Northeast Fisheries Science Center spokesperson Teri Frady said her agency hasn't received any specific request yet to monitor river herring catches in the sea herring fishery but that all unintended catch is reported on their sampling trips with herring fishermen.

Those samples revealed that less than 1 percent of the sea herring catch included river herring, said Michael Armstrong, a scientist with the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries. But with 181 million pounds of herring caught in 2004, that means about 1.8 million pounds of that catch could have been river herring.

In addition, Armstrong said, if a school of river herring heading back to their spawning grounds is caught, that population could be wiped out.

''The human factor is always pretty high up there,'' said John Hay, author of ''The Run,'' a book about the Brewster herring run that is considered a classic of nature writing.

''I think we are the big predator and we don't want to share with any other kind of animal,'' he said.

Brady said there may be other factors besides human ones. Low water levels from drought years in 2000 and 2001 meant that fingerlings couldn't get back out to sea during those summers and died in the ponds.


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Also, predator populations have been on the rise. Seal numbers have increased dramatically since the Marine Mammal Protection Act was enacted in the 1970s. Grey seals alone have gone from just 20 individuals in Cape waters in the 1970s to more than 6,000 on Monomoy in Chatham.

Striped bass also prey on herring and their numbers have increased from 5 million in 1982 to more than 41 million now.

Armstrong said that striped bass and seal populations have reached levels present when Christopher Columbus arrived in the New World. But the river herring populations are 5 percent or less than what they were at that time.

''We're bringing up the predator population and yet we're taking away the spawning ground and blocking the streams of their prey. They are behind the eight ball and it will take a lot to turn them around.''

Still, the human toll can be significant. Up until 2005, fishermen could scoop as much as 50,000 fish per year out of the Bournedale run. That would have been roughly half the fish that showed up at the run last year. Last year's cap was set at just 15,000 fish, but when few fish showed up in the early part of the season, it was shut down to fishing.

Brady is hoping the three-year closure will bring back the fish. Condit said she hopes that state regulations will do a better job of discouraging poachers than town regulations did.

Doug Fraser can be reached at dfraser@capecodonline.com.

(Published: January 12, 2006)

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climbing the stony steps that lead past the old mill into a string of inland ponds where they spawn and die.

I thought that river herring (bluebacks) migrated back out to sea after the spawn?

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Old 01-12-2006, 12:55 PM   #3
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Thats what I thought??

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As did I....hmmmm
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Armstrong said that striped bass and seal populations have reached levels present when Christopher Columbus arrived in the New World. But the river herring populations are 5 percent or less than what they were at that time.


???? You learn something new everyday, not only was Christopher Columbus an explorer he was a fisheries manager well versed in stock assessment.
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Old 01-12-2006, 02:15 PM   #6
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Armstrong said that striped bass and seal populations have reached levels present when Christopher Columbus arrived in the New World. But the river herring populations are 5 percent or less than what they were at that time.
They say that about deer now too, apparently theres as many now as there was 200 years ago.....wish we could say the same thing about Large.
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:27 PM   #7
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Its a little inaccurate with respect to the life cycle of the river herring - but the story is pretty good overall. Hey - it's a small paper, at least they are doing some original reporting on environmental issues.

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Old 01-13-2006, 08:01 AM   #8
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NMFS Northeast Fisheries Science Center spokesperson Teri Frady said her agency hasn't received any specific request yet to monitor river herring catches in the sea herring fishery but that all unintended catch is reported on their sampling trips with herring fishermen.

Those samples revealed that less than 1 percent of the sea herring catch included river herring, said Michael Armstrong, a scientist with the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries. But with 181 million pounds of herring caught in 2004, that means about 1.8 million pounds of that catch could have been river herring.


(Published: January 12, 2006)

The problem with that statement is that they really aren't monitoring that fishery. They have only 2-3% of those vessels staffed with NMFS observers. That is not a representative sample of what is being taken in the fishery.

It is my belief that the river herring are being scooped up with the sea herring. The sea herring fishery has grown dramatically in the last decade and a half.
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Old 01-13-2006, 08:02 AM   #9
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Also 1.8 million pounds of "incidentally" caught river herring is huge when you consider that the CT River run of herring has dropped to a few thousand fish counted in the last couple of years.
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Old 01-13-2006, 08:00 PM   #10
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The problem with that statement is that they really aren't monitoring that fishery. They have only 2-3% of those vessels staffed with NMFS observers. That is not a representative sample of what is being taken in the fishery.

It is my belief that the river herring are being scooped up with the sea herring. The sea herring fishery has grown dramatically in the last decade and a half.
Well put. Lets go one step further and say what if they are off by 1-5% on total percentage of river herring taken with sea herring, on an average, fishery wide. Think what 1.8-9 million more caught could do.
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Lets say a herring weighs at a high estimate of .5 lb per fish thats 3.6 million fish.that would equal 6,000 fisherman taking 600 per yr.I take close to that many wit another partner.their's maybe 100 of us doing the same in NJ.

Now everyone knows they like to practice voodoo math.What if bycatch was at a IMO low 10 percent.that would be 36 million fish.

Yea its the 50K fish that come from the Bournedale run thats the problem..This closer will do nothing.It's like putting a fire out wit gas.
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Hey NIB, just a question? What if they were the last50k out there for some strange reason, would you still feel the same? The last 50k, and you guys scooped em up to feed to some other fish that probably would have eaten a dozen other offerings. This baitfish is a tiny part of the stripers diet, as they are around in numbers for a very short time of the spring run, after which stripers turn on to hundreds of other natural baits besides them. I mean give me a break, saying just because there are so many other perpetrators out there that you shouldnt give up your 25 per day or so for a couple of years??? That is so shortsighted.
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I'm a river herring Come & get me

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I have, an will do with out em.Its not the end of the world to me.i enjoy it but there are many ways to skin a cat.
U know what they say about what if's.
I just did some simple(it has to be for me) math to show some startling numbers.
Ask the commercials if they would do the same thing.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:35 PM   #15
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CT has been closed down the last few years for herring. We have resorted to getting bass in the rivers with artificials or alternative live baits. Also if you head out into the salt, the squid run seems to be going pretty good on the reefs and there are large to be had.
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american shad

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This past fall, the state Marine Fisheries Commission passed a regulation banning the possession of any river herring for the next three years because, since 2000, the number of river herring and a similar species, American shad, has been dropping at an alarming rate.
The article mentions "american shad" in the same sentence with river herring. Am I correct in that possession of shad is NOT included in the current ban?

Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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The article mentions "american shad" in the same sentence with river herring. Am I correct in that possession of shad is NOT included in the current ban?
Keep in mind we get two different species of shad around here. The American shad and the hickory shad and both have different regs.

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Arrow uh...

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The problem with that statement is that they really aren't monitoring that fishery. They have only 2-3% of those vessels staffed with NMFS observers. That is not a representative sample of what is being taken in the fishery.

It is my belief that the river herring are being scooped up with the sea herring. The sea herring fishery has grown dramatically in the last decade and a half.
it is my belief that your statement is just a guess, and has no basis in fact.
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Well the first statement is fact. The second is my opionion. Sea herring and river herring stage in the same areas (right off the coast of new england) in the late winter/early spring. Care to explain to me how they would be missed by the sea herring fishing fleet?
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Well the first statement is fact. The second is my opionion. Sea herring and river herring stage in the same areas (right off the coast of new england) in the late winter/early spring. Care to explain to me how they would be missed by the sea herring fishing fleet?
Slapshot, your closer to the truth than you know. Come down Cape in March and stand watch on the big beach from P-Town to Chatham and you will see the draggers close off the beach. They are looking for Herring staging outside the bays and waiting for the signs of longer sunlight, warmer water and the taste of thier natal waters to come to them. Whales know this too. Often they can be seen near shore along the back beach.

Why even try.........
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