Gobal Warming? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Sweetwater · 01-23-2007, 07:51 PM

All of us have seen the unusually warm temperatures this winter, I can't even remember where my snow shovel is.

Interesting stats from NOAA that make me think we could see an early striper migration if water temps hold.

Woods Hole: avg. for Jan.: 34 degrees, currently 38 degrees

Portland, ME: avg. for Jan.: 34 degrees, currently 43 degrees

Newport, RI: avg. for Jan.: 37 degrees, currently 43 degrees

These temps are more like what we get in late March or early April.

ChiefLinesider · 01-23-2007, 07:55 PM

heres one for ya....

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/natl.html

baldwin · 01-23-2007, 08:06 PM

You can't use just one winter as evidence for global warming, but long-term trends do show definite climate change. Some will argue that it's el Nino or other short-term influences, but those El Ninos are much more frequent because of global warming. They'll also argue if we have some cold weeks or even months, or if a certain local area is colder. They don't understand averages, and also vote for presidents like Bush. This winter might feel pretty comfortable, but the effects on the earth's ecosystems aren't nice.

ChiefLinesider · 01-23-2007, 08:14 PM

global warming is inevitable & there is no turning it around. It is the natural way of things. The earth is destined to burn up with the sun. There is evidence though that we may be speeding things up.

I agree that using one winter here in the NE to support the theory is ridiculous. Since out west they have had one of the coldest winters on record.

tattoobob · 01-23-2007, 09:06 PM

Just an anomaly, (I have been waiting to use that word)

RIROCKHOUND · 01-23-2007, 09:08 PM

Wait.
If it gets this cold for a while.
Come April/May
With in a degree of the average!

Quote me on it

spence · 01-23-2007, 10:13 PM

Well, the news is that this year the official government assessment of the global warming issue will be for the most part that the environmentalist wackos were right all along, and that the situation is very serious.

I'm not expecting Rush Limbaugh to retract his entire career or anything...but perhaps we can get a serious dialogue going.

2007 will be the year this starts to be taken seriously, mark my words...

-spence

ChiefLinesider · 01-23-2007, 10:19 PM

thatll be the day that Rush buys into the fact that global warming is a reality.

RIROCKHOUND · 01-23-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Well, the news is that this year the official government assessment of the global warming issue will be for the most part that the environmentalist wackos were right all along, and that the situation is very serious.
2007 will be the year this starts to be taken seriously, mark my words...
-spence

The IPCC report on climate change is due out very soon...
thats why... not that this administration will do much... lets hope so!

baldwin · 01-24-2007, 07:57 AM

Anyone who thinks they know more than the climatologists, biologists, etc who've studied this thing for years from a million different angles is a complete idiot. That's not my opinion, it's fact.

Raven · 01-24-2007, 08:22 AM

1.) regardless of what climatoligists are saying or environmentalists.

all you have to do is.... think about how much TAR roads and parking lots ,
concrete buildings ect. are now on the planet soaking
up the heat of the sun and releasing that trapped heat back into
the planets atmosphere....thats enough to create a change.

2.) nature has a way of changing things up....one year its a forest.
then that forest burns down to the ground from a lightning strike.
now its a grassy field filled with lush vegetation. then a mudslide
happens covering the lush vegitation. then pine seedlings sprout after
a week of windy weather. a forest grows again repeating the cycle.

RIROCKHOUND · 01-24-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by baldwin

Anyone who thinks they know more than the climatologists, biologists, etc who've studied this thing for years from a million different angles is a complete idiot. That's not my opinion, it's fact.

Yup..
I will always stress in conversation, I'm a geologist, not a climate guy, or biologist; anything I say is my opinion gleaned from reading what I read and knowing what I know!

come April, the water will be +/- 1 degree-1.5 degrees of the average...
we have this water temp debate almost every year

MakoMike · 01-24-2007, 09:25 AM

According to the U.N. the number one man-made cause of global warming is methane from cow farts. How we going to control that? Put a catalytic converter on the cows?

Raven · 01-24-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

According to the U.N. the number one man-made cause of global warming is methane from cow farts. How we going to control that? Put a catalytic converter on the cows?

you'd have to genetically alter the grass itself so that it produced hydrogen or oxygen or some other gas...other than methane.
in the digestion tract of cows that have two stomachs BTW
if thats possible.....that is...........

baldwin · 01-24-2007, 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by MakoMike
According to the U.N. the number one man-made cause of global warming is methane from cow farts. How we going to control that? Put a catalytic converter on the cows?

Wouldn't that be a cattle-lytic converter?

Pete_G · 01-24-2007, 10:59 AM

I forget the actual number, but almost all the top 10 warmest winters on record have occured in the past 15 or so years.

The cause can be debated, whether something is happening or not is fairly tough to argue.

PaulS · 01-24-2007, 12:12 PM

Actually it likes 45 of the 50 warmest years on record have been in the last 50 years.

Rockport24 · 01-24-2007, 12:40 PM

hey guys, did you know that 75% of statistics are made up on the spot? think about it!!

MakoMike · 01-24-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS

Actually it likes 45 of the 50 warmest years on record have been in the last 50 years.

Not very difficult to believe when you stop an consider that they have only been keeping records for about 100 years.

Cattle-littic convertor! I love it!

Rappin Mikey · 01-24-2007, 01:01 PM

According to my log, fish showed up about a week and a half early at my Spring spots last year.

zimmy · 01-24-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefLinesider

global warming is inevitable & there is no turning it around. It is the natural way of things. The earth is destined to burn up with the sun. There is evidence though that we may be speeding things up.

I agree that using one winter here in the NE to support the theory is ridiculous. Since out west they have had one of the coldest winters on record.

I will leave out my opinions and try to focus on facts...

First off the earth will burn up with the sun in billions and billions of years from now when the sun expands prior to dying out. The global warming happening has nothing to due with changes in the sun.

Global warming may be inevitable and part of the ice age cycle, but there is no question it has excelerated over the last 100 years as the level of CO2 has risen. That is not just based on the fact that we have been keeping records that long, but is in rock and ice cores showing conditions long ago.

Human activity adds CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases trap heat. Trapped heat warms the globe. The more heat trapped, the more moisture in the air, the more heat is trapped...

The west has had a lot of snow, but not one of the coldest winters on record. Warmer temps mean more snow, due to more moisture (this fact could mean that global warming will trigger an ice age in the end). Some places like San Antonio have had cold temperatures. CLimate change is expected to affected specific localities differently. The global avereage temp, in any case, is going up.

CO2 from cows is an anthropomorphic cause. I won't go into what to do about it...

stripersnipr · 01-24-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baldwin

Anyone who thinks they know more than the climatologists, biologists, etc who've studied this thing for years from a million different angles is a complete idiot. That's not my opinion, it's fact.

I agree and when I see a clear consensus amongst them I'll form a firm opinion.

ChiefLinesider · 01-24-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zimmy

CO2 from cows is an anthropomorphic cause. I won't go into what to do about it...

Over my head. What is this anthropomorphic cause you speak of?

RIROCKHOUND · 01-24-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

I agree and when I see a clear consensus amongst them I'll form a firm opinion.

The clear consensus is that change is occurring. How fast and how much is still being worked out.

BW from AZ · 01-24-2007, 10:34 PM

I believe

parishht · 01-25-2007, 08:29 AM

We hear a lot about humans causing global warming,
could it be that the Earth is wrming from the inside out?

Seams like I am hearing more about volcanoes becoming active,
especially the Pacific rim area.

After all, there is evidence of a mini ice age that happened across Europe,
that was caused by a super eruption.

RIROCKHOUND · 01-25-2007, 09:18 AM

From the inside out...
Not like that, no.
BUT if you get a large eruption that puts a lot of dust in the atmosphere then yes it can induce some cooling. What your referring to is the LIA (Little Ice Age)

Raven · 01-25-2007, 09:50 AM

and we are all just having a discussion here

not professing to be experts....although

we are all fairly expert observationists....
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rain will be increasing due to melting of the ice....

with an increased amount of fresh water available.

it's raining most of july lately..... .... ... .. ugghhh

baldwin · 01-25-2007, 09:55 AM

1) Anthropomorphic means "man-made", caused by humans
2) Nice points, Zimmy
3) There IS a clear consensus among scientists. When politicians dissent from scientific view, it doesn't count as legitimate lack of consensus.

baldwin · 01-25-2007, 10:00 AM

P.S. Don't worry about forming an opinion, anyway. "Opinion" has no place in the discussion, and is the reason that nothing is being done about a legitimate problem. We're dealing with facts and climatic phenomena, not whether your jeans make you look fat. Whether or not global warming is happening does NOT depend on whether or not the majority feels or agrees that it is happening. If 95% of the population are of the "opinion" that fish dont exist, does that mean they don't exist? No, it is irrelevant. Forming an "opinion" of whether global warming exists is why the problem is still worsening. Similar problem with evolution. It's not a majority-wins thing. It exists. "Opinions" don't trump fact.