for you guys that don't go over there ...I knocked off master builder,,,builder off "The Plug" ...Chumbucket .. These are 8.25" long 12" with tails ... one is bass wood ,,it weighs 2.9 ounces and one is made from white pine 2.1 ounces .. Mac has the original and swam the plug in P town .. Really great swimmer ,, and great old chunky sparkle look .. I'm sure I'm wrong ,but only other long slim plug I've seen is the Danny Pichney eelly ...I've tried thin swimmers in the past and I think they tend to be rolly .. That was before hydro orientation plug building days and yes these are HO. Great Job again Chum ... really a great plug... can't let it go un noticed ..