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07-14-2007, 05:58 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: R.I.
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I am done with braid going back to mono.
So last night me and a buddy are drifting eels in our usual nighttime spot, I just drop the line to the bottom bang im hooked up nice fish it starts taking line I tighting the drag and SNAP AWE %$%$%$%$.I rig back up even a bigger one this time snap I quit. I also lost one two weeks ago. Its pretty rocky at this spot the braid rubs against the rocks and you cant tell if there is any nicks in the line and then this happens.I love braid for casting distance from shore but im done with it for drifting eels.I was thinking 40 pound stren tournament mono.What do you guys think.
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07-14-2007, 06:04 AM
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#2
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Here and There Seasonally
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I use a long leader, 3-4 foot. 40-50 pound test. It helps. But then again, I fish sand mostly. I've noticed that stripers will sometimes try to scrub a hook or lure off by swimming into the bottom. I think that's where most of my losses happen.
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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07-14-2007, 07:16 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: R.I.
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I had A 3ft 80lb mono liter tide to a swivel, thats not were it broke it was the braid you cant tell were the nicks are.
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07-14-2007, 08:02 AM
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Steve "Van Staal"
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cranston
Posts: 544
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braid
I found out along time ago that braid and rocks don't mix. Stick with mono!
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07-14-2007, 08:31 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
Posts: 8,484
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30lb. iron silk ... the stuff is real good in the rocks... thin diam. ,,,cast well .. If the rocks are incrusted in barnicles nothing is guaranteed.. Usually these places hold good fish ... maddning ,,, ain't it ?
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
(dob 4-21-07)
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07-14-2007, 10:08 AM
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#6
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Mid Coastal CT
Posts: 2,006
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20 lb Ande Backcountry, awesome stuff, give it a try.
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07-14-2007, 10:29 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: People's Republic
Posts: 1,025
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
I found out along time ago that braid and rocks don't mix. Stick with mono!
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Amen to that.
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07-14-2007, 10:30 AM
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Frank Capone
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Hamden, Connecticut
Posts: 2,229
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Yep, I couldn't agree more. I guess the only way to learn is by breaking off (on braid) a good fish in the rocks. I agree with Vogt, try the ande backcountry.
I would still fish braid on sandy beaches, but not for boulder fields and rocks and other structure.
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07-14-2007, 10:54 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Fork
Posts: 2,260
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What brand of braid are you useing?I fish exclusively with fireline 20# and 30# around rocks all the time and never have this problem.
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07-14-2007, 11:33 AM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
Posts: 8,158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetwofish
So last night me and a buddy are drifting eels in our usual nighttime spot, I just drop the line to the bottom bang im hooked up nice fish it starts taking line I tighting the drag and SNAP AWE %$%$%$%$.I rig back up even a bigger one this time snap I quit. I also lost one two weeks ago. Its pretty rocky at this spot the braid rubs against the rocks and you cant tell if there is any nicks in the line and then this happens.I love braid for casting distance from shore but im done with it for drifting eels.I was thinking 40 pound stren tournament mono.What do you guys think.
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Let me guess--Power Pro?
If so--try a different braid before you write the stuff off entirely.
Also, I still use mono for eel fishing. Braid really doesn't give you an edge there, especially in a rock garden. Ande Backcountry and Big Game are always your best bang for the buck in mono. There's no need for anything more expensive, especially for dropping eels to the bottom, other than making the line manufacturer rich. 
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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07-14-2007, 11:58 AM
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I Had A BLAST!
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I'm from Manhattan, Live in CT., but my heart is in SoCo!
Posts: 1,132
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I use Fireline.
Also, take it for what it's worth, I don't tighten my drag when I'm hooked up. I'm good to go, before the cast. But that is just what I do. 
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07-14-2007, 12:07 PM
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#12
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: RI
Posts: 5,704
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vogt
20 lb Ande Backcountry, awesome stuff, give it a try.
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Absolutely.
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07-14-2007, 12:08 PM
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here fishy fishy
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: westport,ma.
Posts: 3,111
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check your rod guides! Last time that happened to me twice in a row I had a crack in the top guide. It would cut the line when I loaded up on a set. I fish mostly sand and love power pro. Have a reel that has had the same power pro line on it for almost three years now, and still strong.
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redcrbbr
of all the things i've lost...i miss my mind the most!!
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07-14-2007, 03:00 PM
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#14
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: R.I.
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Yep you guessed it powerpro its great for casting not so great for eels in rocky area with big bass.I will check out the eyes and thanks for all the tips.Im going out again tonight to redeem myself.
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07-14-2007, 03:11 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Onset
Posts: 1,228
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I do fine with PowerPro in the rocks.
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07-14-2007, 03:32 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Narragansett, RI
Posts: 423
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Try Tectan, it is the best abraison resistant line I have ever used, it is made in West Germany and comes in metric sizes, I use this line both for live linning and tog fishing, it will take anything you throw at it and then some.
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Salty
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07-14-2007, 04:42 PM
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Fork
Posts: 2,260
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Carefull with power pro a friend of mine kept getting mysterious breakoffs and after much investigating figured out it was micoscopic windknots cutting into itself.Power pro can cut itself off cross the line and try it you will be shocked to see.
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07-14-2007, 04:43 PM
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#18
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Bristol, PA. U.S.A.
Posts: 130
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy z
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Also, take it for what it's worth, I don't tighten my drag when I'm hooked up. I'm good to go, before the cast. But that is just what I do. 
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Same here!
Don't give up on the braid yet...even the PP.
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GET OUT THERE,
and FISH!
Steve
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07-14-2007, 04:51 PM
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Afterhours Custom Plugs
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: R.I.
Posts: 8,642
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Quote:
Originally Posted by t.orlando
I do fine with PowerPro in the rocks.
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same here..
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07-14-2007, 05:03 PM
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#20
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
Posts: 23,392
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I use mono....I have no problems so why fix what ain't broke?? You braid guys can have it! 
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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07-14-2007, 05:06 PM
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#21
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Here and There Seasonally
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I use 50#PP mainline down from 65#. And a 40-50 # leader. I use a lighter mono leader beacuse sometimes I WANT to break it off, the Canal for example. Zip Problems.
I had a spool of 20#PP that I lost 3 plugs in 3 casts. I gave that one to my moron boss.  oke: Something was definately wrong with that one.
I do have to say it took me a while to learn how to set the hook with braid. When I first started using it, I was giving it the mighty yank like mono. Well with mono you have considerable stretch to take up before the hook bites. With braid it's the flick of the wrist.
Last year I tried to go back to mono, missed a lot of hookups. I'm abraid guy now...
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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07-14-2007, 05:09 PM
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#22
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Afterhours Custom Plugs
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: R.I.
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don't like 20 or 30 pp gotta be 40 and up. light stuff promotes windknots for me.
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07-14-2007, 05:11 PM
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#23
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
Posts: 23,392
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I have seen all 3 of my fishing buddies (they know who they are) complain about braid on more than one occasion! I use the mono with no complaints at all! 
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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07-14-2007, 07:25 PM
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#24
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: MA
Posts: 102
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30# Big Game does the trick for me 
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07-14-2007, 08:19 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake
Last year I tried to go back to mono, missed a lot of hookups. I'm abraid guy now...
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Mee too, was always a slow hooker with mono, missed alot of fish.
Nine outa 10 with braid no need to even set the hook, cept to set it deeper.
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" Choose Life "
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07-14-2007, 09:05 PM
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#26
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GloucesterFisherMan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: gloucester
Posts: 9
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Hope you aint tightening the drag too tight
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The Mad Fisherman !
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07-15-2007, 07:26 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Portsmouth RI
Posts: 227
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I went eel fishing with a buddy and he uses 20lb YO-Zuri. I spooled up one of my rods with it and it fished great. I had another rod with braid, he out fished me. I also had a bad experience fishing braid while live lining pogies this year. Any bait fishing and I will switch to mono.
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07-15-2007, 08:44 AM
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#28
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 3,650
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Braid's most distinct advantage is increased casting distance, but when drifting eels - you short cast and let the current present the bait, so that negates braid's most important advantage.
Braid's second advantage is increased sensitivity. But when drifting eels you play the line out under constant resistance from the current, so the advantage of sensitivity is also diminished. There is little or no slack when drifting eels, so, regardless of which line you choose, you're going to feel every bump.
Braid's biggest disadvantage it's tendency to break after minor nick, and seeing as how breachways are essentially rockpiles, there is a high likelihood a fish will take you into the rocks or you will nick the running line between casts.
So by choosing braid for drifting eels in a current the advantages are negated, while the disadvantages are magnified...You're getting the worst of both worlds. Braid is just another option with advantages and disadvantages that need to be assessed with respect to the application.
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07-16-2007, 01:23 AM
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#29
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Lombardia
Posts: 335
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May I also suggest that you try palming the spool next time you want to add a little extra resistance. Somebody passed me that advice, it is another option to have in your bag of tricks.
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07-16-2007, 11:17 AM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 10,824
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vogt
20 lb Ande Backcountry, awesome stuff, give it a try.
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What Pat said.
Wheni was a surf guy I switched to Ande back country and it was awesome. I now use it on my boat when I'm drifting eels in the rocks.
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No boat, back in the suds. 
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