all Cape Cod National Seashore is closed - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

2na · 07-14-2007, 08:05 AM

The CCNS closed the remaining piece of open beach (High Head) on Friday (because some chicks from a nest walked to close), so as of this time there is no beach open. Saving grace is that it appears that access to the north side is near. I've gotta go out of my way to thank the National Seashore administration (and not the rangers in the trucks, who are mostly good guys who want us out there) for wasting our time by holding all of those public meetings and to put us back in the same place as last year.

fishsmith · 07-14-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ptmike

The CCNS closed the remaining piece of open beach (High Head) on Friday (because some chicks from a nest walked to close)

These chicks should be easy pickins for Fox / racoons / coyotes but those of us with thumbs are on the outside looking in.

Backbeach Jake · 07-14-2007, 10:31 AM

So who's gonna post my bail?

Karl F · 07-14-2007, 10:35 AM

Fred.. it's still open for drive on night fishing at the "other end" of the road that leads to your house

and.. it is the time of year for night fishing.. tell them seals i said hello

BigFish · 07-14-2007, 11:05 AM

Karl...the seals were asking for you!

capecodder · 07-15-2007, 08:12 AM

Sad. Yesterday I arrived at the Race at 5:45am by boat, a day that pre-boat and pre-kids I would have been salivating to surfcast the Race/Traps. Low tide, new moon....

Not a soul on the beach... What a disgrace... These bird people are way out of line...

BigFish · 07-15-2007, 09:36 AM

I just got back from 2 weeks down Wellfleet and did not even sniff the Race! Did not bother getting a sticker as I have the past 6 years as I would not have been able to use it anyway!!! Why pay the NSS to keep my beach from me???? I may get a pass for the fall for a week maybe but thats it!!! Another great past time is going by the wayside! Driving on the beach down the Cape has the curtain falling on it! We try and we go to these meetings as I and many others have but a fat lot of good that did!!!! Just made us all make an expensive drive down there to hear alot of hot air!!! Last year I drove on once!!! Cost me $150.00! I feel for the economy down there that depends on the tourists as they are losing the folks who love to drive the beach and fish.....thats alot of $$$$$$$!!!!

Slipknot · 07-15-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by capecodder

Sad. Yesterday I arrived at the Race at 5:45am by boat, a day that pre-boat and pre-kids I would have been salivating to surfcast the Race/Traps. Low tide, new moon....

Not a soul on the beach... What a disgrace... These bird people are way out of line...

we were out there 4 am to about 6 am, only about half as many as walked the 2 miles as last Sat. but we were out there catching seals
sad thing for even the boat guys at the race is, it's not what it used to be there either, the seals are keeping the fish away from in close at that rip so not even the boats do well there.

Ya, I'd like to thank the ball-less seashore rangers for not living up to their end of the bargain

They don't even have the nads to leave a message on the phone number, it just rings and rings. If I had not mentioned to a friend I was gonna go to high head, I would have never known

Our $150 entitles us to park at the 3 public beaches out there if there is a parking spot I guess, but why can't we also park for free at Marconi or Coast Gaurd in Eastham?

they suck just as bad as the seals and plovers,

TIME FOR REVOLUTION

I say we drive on as a big group anyway
what are they gonna do about it?

Hi Mike

BigFish · 07-15-2007, 10:40 AM

I am in!

Slipknot · 07-15-2007, 11:03 AM

BTW is the gate at Coast Gaurd landing locked during the day?

what's the problem with using that beach before 6pm?
I say we drive on there during the day
there are no plovers there, just sand

JHABS · 07-15-2007, 11:13 AM

This is a a Sad Thing they Don't want Us There,,,,,,,,,,,, Maybe if a few got driving over Mother Nature would take over and they would Move........

Swimmer · 07-15-2007, 11:16 AM

Just think about the 286 species of whatever that is on the waiting list for entry as an endangered species. What about if one or more of them lives on the beaches we all enjoy. The only reason they have not been elevated to the exalted status of endangered is because no money was allocated for each specie. So if we can get the money dropped from the federal budget that is used to protect the PP's all our woes would go away as far as beach access is concerned. It seems that each specie has its own budget allocation. No allocation, no more bird bull%$%$%$%$.

Backbeach Jake · 07-15-2007, 02:21 PM

This thought occured to me: just what IS the penalty for driving on closed beaches? Or without a permit for that matter? What do they actually do about it? Arrest? On what charge? I really don't know.

Charleston · 07-15-2007, 02:55 PM

How do you think the out of state guys feel? As recently as 3 years ago I could go to P'Town with some guys and have a blast. The arrival of the seals, warm weather and MUNG!! has really reaked havoc on Cape fishing for us.
The PlugBash was moved to RI last year for this reason and will be there again this year. Most of us will stay there!

No sense coming to the Cape to catch seals!
Oh yeah, those little birds must suck as well

gone fishin · 07-15-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

This thought occured to me: just what IS the penalty for driving on closed beaches? Or without a permit for that matter? What do they actually do about it? Arrest? On what charge? I really don't know.

Good question, somebody will have to contact Bassmaster..I bet he can tell us.

BigFish · 07-15-2007, 03:50 PM

For some reason $200.00 rings a bell.....I saw someone written up once for driving on without a permit......however......I think driving on when there is a closure, with or without a permit there must be a hefty fine for that?!?!?!

Sweetwater · 07-15-2007, 04:31 PM

Just got back from the Race (taking friends sight-seeing not fishing) and indeed the entire CCNS is closed. Did speak to one ranger who said several nests that have chicks about ready to fledge. Hopefully this will open up some of the beach.

Also, someone asked about Coast Guard in Truro. That beach is only open after 6:00p due to the "claimed" level of beach goers. However, I suspect it has more to do with politics that many who own property on the dunes don't like see our trucks out there. Less than 2 miles are open and last time I fished it (about a week ago) there was a tremendous amont of weed and mung in the water. So basically, there is NO WHERE to drive on the beach anywhere in Truro or or P-town.

Karl F · 07-15-2007, 04:41 PM

If I remember correctly.. when the Saudi ambassaders kids ran his Hummer (H1) thru closed areas, he initially had his vehicle confiscated...
He got it back, and again.. relying on memory from the incedent, which was at least ten years ago.. the figure of 50 grand in fines, plus court fees.. and lifetime sticker ban...

I am sure it would be severe, no matter how many vehicles convoyed down, especially if plovers were put in harms way... and the antis would love it.. would be great to crucify off roaders in the press....

Slipknot · 07-15-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

Just think about the 286 species of whatever that is on the waiting list for entry as an endangered species. What about if one or more of them lives on the beaches we all enjoy. The only reason they have not been elevated to the exalted status of endangered is because no money was allocated for each specie. So if we can get the money dropped from the federal budget that is used to protect the PP's all our woes would go away as far as beach access is concerned. It seems that each specie has its own budget allocation. No allocation, no more bird bull%$%$%$%$.

GREAT IDEA

where do I sign up to help?

OK Karl

no revolution I guess

we'll do it the legal way then.

JHABS · 07-15-2007, 06:21 PM

Its so Bad the Mungs not even showing up.

BigFish · 07-15-2007, 06:26 PM

Mung showed up Wednesday....Head of the Meadow, Newcomb Hollow, LeCounts, and White Crest! Bad at HOM moderate at the others.

Backbeach Jake · 07-15-2007, 06:51 PM

and "lettuce" cocktailed at CG last weekend. I made one cast and that was it. Nasty combo...

Slipknot · 07-15-2007, 07:55 PM

there was mung at Lecounts last weekend
I swam in it yesterday at Newcombs

Jenn · 07-16-2007, 05:17 PM

Yup just got back from a week down there....quite dissapointing.

I need to vent a little because I am sort of peaved at the attitude I got at the station too when asking about the closures.....(and no I dont think all of them are bad) but lets just say there is one that is VERY RUDE. no need for it and I can almost bet most of you know which one I mean

oh and slip.... dont feel bad I waded in the "lettuce" one day.......eeeeeyuck!

Slipknot · 07-16-2007, 05:27 PM

that sux they gave you a tude Jenn

well I called this afternoon and they finally have a message
they say there's a good chance race north will be open for the weekend or shortly after that. I hope that means all the way to hatches this time

I hear they eat plovers down in Brazil , so they have us to thank for their measly meals, no wonder they don't recover, they get eaten when they winter over in S. America.

BigFish · 07-16-2007, 05:33 PM

They are playin ya Slip! Beaches did not reopen last year until the week before Labor Day!!!!

RickBomba · 07-16-2007, 10:49 PM

I eat those gdamn birds...tell them damn rangers the old Bomba is getting a little more interpretive in my cooking!!!
They hate me already...
Haven't bought a year sticker in three years....
Fell like the Clamma version of Ptown.
Later,
Rick

2na · 07-17-2007, 07:07 AM

Slip, Larry - I've been walking the top for the last 3 weeks and those birds are just about all airborne. The thing that really p's me off is that they no longer monitor the nests, they just pick a date and open it then - unless they find flightless birds, then they pick another date. At the meetings they said that they have to go 5 days straight without seeing chicks walking, and from walking day after day around the 4th I could see that at least 3 days went by between bird checks. That's why I posted that I thought the top would be open soon, not from talking with rangers. I don't think it'll open to Hatches unless the area between the traps and the lighthouse filled in - the beach was too thin, and I don't think the birds that nested along the back trail are flying, but they may have moved into the marsh behind Hatches. We're doing better than last year - it will be all open soon, except at High Head, where I figure maybe another 2-3 weeks. But to the best of my knowledge, there are no nests from Mission bell south to there.

Jen - Let me guess: Whit.

piemma · 07-17-2007, 11:26 AM

Not sure of the penalty now. back when I was running heavy (80s and 90s), there was talk that they would impound your truck for no sticker. I know guys who ran the closed section and got caught and got a stern warning but nothing more.

I am glad I bought a boat. I use to love the Back and spent hundreds of nights running from the the access road to High Head. It is truly a shame that the beaches are run by the Plover and Seal lovers.
Perhaps if you guys who are still buying the permits stopped for a year or 2 maybe the CCNS would feel the pinch from the lack of revenue. Perhaps the local economy in P-Town and Truo would also feel the lost dollars. Then maybe something sane could be enacted.

I don't know what the answer is but certainly the current state of affairs leads me to believe that the running of the Back is coming to an end for good.

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

This thought occured to me: just what IS the penalty for driving on closed beaches? Or without a permit for that matter? What do they actually do about it? Arrest? On what charge? I really don't know.

gone fishin · 07-17-2007, 01:26 PM

"Perhaps if you guys who are still buying the permits stopped for a year or 2 maybe the CCNS would feel the pinch from the lack of revenue. Perhaps the local economy in P-Town and Truo would also feel the lost dollars. Then maybe something sane could be enacted."

In response ----

The only problem with boycottting the CCNS is that our sticker money goes to paying their salaries and maintaining the seashore. If we don't buy a sticker the opinion on their side will be that there isn't enough demand to allow access to the beaches by vehicle. That is exactly the excuse the Audobon and the CCNS is looking for.

Support the MBBA in their effort to bring pressure legally to keep our access to the beaches.