More on Plugs

[steve]

Speaking of plug buying, how are the NORTH BAR BOTTLE plugs and their unusual looking DARTER? Also, towards the end of this past season I used the BEACHMASTER Danny alot and did well. As a user of the original danny, I can say that Bob's version is a masterpiece. It swims like a champ and draws viscious strikes even from smaller fish. It is a great fish finder if you know what I mean. Buy every one you can if you can afford them. Believe me, I thought Danny Pichney was going to live forever. I should have bought more when I had the chance but fortunatley BM is available now.

[Odizza]

i was on a b way in a ro this fall and the northbar outfished everyone 4-1. Caught the biggest fish ive caught on a plug with one this october on my first cast of the night. They dig in very well and produce

[steve]

Odizza, was that the bottle or darter?

[steve]

No sales pitch, just a kudo. Thanks for the NB info. I would like to get a bottle darter or two.

[Rockport24]

I don't want to start a war here, but you don't need expensive wood to catch fish on plugs... just look at the loaded red fin! although some colors are hard to get

[Odizza]

IT WAS THE DARTER

[bassballer]

yeah steve, its a cross between a bottle and a darter. i owe you a plug so ill try and stop in and toss one your way.

[Jimmy Fee]

Originally Posted by steve

No sales pitch, just a kudo. Thanks for the NB info. I would like to get a bottle darter or two.

You and me both. It seems like you need to know which shop is getting them before the shops even know it. I'm very curious to see how the bottle darters swim in person, but I don't doubt they catch.

[steve]

That's why I bought one, and posed the original question? The bottle plug has always been a very situational plug for me , but on the rare occasion when I've clipped one on, I've done pretty well. Believe it or not I have taken 3 very big fish on them over the years. I always liked the Gibbs 3 oz. mackerel bottle and more recently, the Supersrike in parrot , yellow or black/yellow. I just wanted to know if anyone out there was more aware of these new bottles by North bar.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by steve

Speaking of plug buying, how are the NORTH BAR BOTTLE plugs and their unusual looking DARTER? Also, towards the end of this past season I used the BEACHMASTER Danny alot and did well. As a user of the original danny, I can say that Bob's version is a masterpiece. It swims like a champ and draws viscious strikes even from smaller fish. It is a great fish finder if you know what I mean. Buy every one you can if you can afford them. Believe me, I thought Danny Pichney was going to live forever. I should have bought more when I had the chance but fortunatley BM is available now.

"Bob's" (is he your friend....your post comes off as a sales pitch?) version is an excellent copy. "Masterpiece" is more fittingly saved for the guy who invented the plug.

The NB bottle runs deep (at least the only one I tested did)
The bottle darter is more of a swimmer than a darter, but is an excellent plug for covering the water column since you can pull it down, then swim it back to the top. Casts well, too.

The demand for these plugs and their limited supply (with resultant high cost) kills a lot of the pleasure you get fishing them.....and probably drives a lot of guys to stick with eels since they work better anyways. Sad really, since getting a good fish to eat a plug is a joy many are getting priced out of.

[Vogt]

I agree, the Beachmaster Danny is nothing short of awesome. They all swim perfectly.

[steve]

Flap, I agree, both with action and your color choices!

[Rocco34520]

I am also very curious about the North Bar Bottle plugs. I know i am going to get one this weekend.

[Sea Dangles]

Any ham-n-egg fisherman can drag a plug through the water without cost being an obstacle. A simple cast and retrieve method will produce the desired results. Serenity and patience will deliver the ultimate prize for those with the fortitude to properly fish the elusive eel properly. Those willing to sacrifice will achieve total consciousness. Not to mention sleeping well at night knowing you are fishing the way nature intended us to fish. Paint and plastic not withstanding.

[Crafty Angler]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

...Serenity and patience will deliver the ultimate prize for those with the fortitude to properly fish the elusive eel properly. Those willing to sacrifice will achieve total consciousness. Not to mention sleeping well at night knowing you are fishing the way nature intended us to fish...

Chris, thanks for the Thoughts to Live By

Dude, that's the Zen of Surfcasting...I feel better already

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Any ham-n-egg fisherman can drag a plug through the water without cost being an obstacle. A simple cast and retrieve method will produce the desired results. Serenity and patience will deliver the ultimate prize for those with the fortitude to properly fish the elusive eel properly. Those willing to sacrifice will achieve total consciousness. Not to mention sleeping well at night knowing you are fishing the way nature intended us to fish. Paint and plastic not withstanding.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Any ham-n-egg fisherman can drag a plug through the water without cost being an obstacle. A simple cast and retrieve method will produce the desired results. Serenity and patience will deliver the ultimate prize for those with the fortitude to properly fish the elusive eel properly. Those willing to sacrifice will achieve total consciousness. Not to mention sleeping well at night knowing you are fishing the way nature intended us to fish. Paint and plastic not withstanding.

You are unwavering, my friend. May the great oracle in the sky bless you.....

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

You are unwavering, my friend. May the great oracle in the sky bless you.....

[Sea Dangles]

Campo had different colors painted on the nose of his plugs which would indicate whether it was a deep, medium or shallow swimmer.This way all he had to do was look into his bag to know which suited the application. He customized most of his arsenal and seemed to be another tinkerer.He sold a warehouse of plugs years back to subsidize his retirement home up in Nova Scotia. I still have many of his mercury filled bombers that I love to use in Cotuit.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Any ham-n-egg fisherman can drag an eel through the water without cost being an obstacle. A simple cast and retrieve method will produce the desired results. Serenity and patience will deliver the ultimate prize for those with the fortitude to properly fish the wooden plug properly. Those willing to sacrifice will achieve total consciousness. Not to mention sleeping well at night knowing you are fishing the way nature intended us to fish. Sharp hooks don't catch fish, people do.

well said Chris

[Grapenuts]

[QUOTE=steve;645331]Speaking of plug buying, how are the NORTH BAR BOTTLE plugs and their unusual looking DARTER? QUOTE]

History running amuck again...If you do any research at all, you'll find that Stan Gibbs came out with that bottle darter first in his quest of the bottle plug[ the one you see today] that style/shape was Stan's first try, the top without lip..then came the next style with a small upper lip, till he was happy with the last almost full lip on top . Stan rejected the the first try and never looked back, never haveing put a patten on it..it was picked up by another and had a patten taken out on it in 1995-6, long after Stan came up with it.....Yes Mr. Welcome can claim having the patten, but the style/idea/shape was NOT his.

[numbskull]

[QUOTE=Grapenuts;645571]

Originally Posted by steve

Speaking of plug buying, how are the NORTH BAR BOTTLE plugs and their unusual looking DARTER? QUOTE]

History running amuck again...If you do any research at all, you'll find that Stan Gibbs came out with that bottle darter first in his quest of the bottle plug[ the one you see today] that style/shape was Stan's first try, the top without lip..then came the next style with a small upper lip, till he was happy with the last almost full lip on top . Stan rejected the the first try and never looked back, never haveing put a patten on it..it was picked up by another and had a patten taken out on it in 1995-6, long after Stan came up with it.....Yes Mr. Welcome can claim having the patten, but the style/idea/shape was NOT his.

This thread http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...=bottle+darter contains a picture of the early Gibbs patterns that led to his invention of the bottle plug (i.e.casting swimmer). I suspect he ended up with the bottle design because he was primarily looking for a plug that holds at a medium depth in the canal's current. The bottle darter tends to keep diving and might be hard to get back up over the edge in the canal (I've only made a few casts with one there so I am unsure). I prefer the bottle in current, and the bottle darter in weak current or none at all. Certainly Gibbs (or someone before him) experimented with the design. I do think Welcome deserves credit for recognizing its usefulness and running with it (even if the patent thing seems a bit strained).

Ever wonder why Gibbs (or Pichney and Musso for that matter) didn't just stick with eels?

[Joe]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Ever wonder why Gibbs (or Pichney and Musso for that matter) didn't just stick with eels?

They probably wanted to make lures.

[Crafty Angler]

Originally Posted by Joe

They probably wanted to make lures.

...and you can't make as much money selling eels since they only come in two colors...

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Joe

They probably wanted to make lures.

Really? Considering the quality of what they developed, I'd guess they were very good fishermen long before they started building plugs commercially. It seems to have been demand for their plugs that led them to their business, not internet hype, or a brilliant business plan. So if they were such talented fishermen, why were they wasting their time with plugs in the first place?

[NIB]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Really? Considering the quality of what they developed, I'd guess they were very good fishermen long before they started building plugs commercially. It seems to have been demand for their plugs that led them to their business, not internet hype, or a brilliant business plan. So if they were such talented fishermen, why were they wasting their time with plugs in the first place?

Why?? Some one was constantly looking for the better mousetrap..
Or the same reasons many of us tinker. That mother of invention thing...Necessity.
Talking with Donny he had heard these guys where trolling this lure in NJ and having good luck with it.He had got his hands on one, long with a blunt nose he had never seen one like it before.He toyed with the design, being long it did not cast well so he shortened it from the tail end.The Danny was born.That is why in Musso's designs the thickest part is aft of center on the plug.
They made lures because there was demand for items that could catch and hold up to catching.From what I understand Steve Campo is as responsible for pushing Donny and Danny as anyone..He was the original plug Ho.Constantly wheeling and dealing.Using the one against the other to get what he wanted.Basically scoffing up all that they would make of some runs.One of the original hard core surfman..There is so much in today's surfcasting that he is responsible for..

[Flaptail]

[QUOTE=Grapenuts;645571]

Originally Posted by steve

Speaking of plug buying, how are the NORTH BAR BOTTLE plugs and their unusual looking DARTER? QUOTE]

History running amuck again...If you do any research at all, you'll find that Stan Gibbs came out with that bottle darter first in his quest of the bottle plug[ the one you see today] that style/shape was Stan's first try, the top without lip..then came the next style with a small upper lip, till he was happy with the last almost full lip on top . Stan rejected the the first try and never looked back, never haveing put a patten on it..it was picked up by another and had a patten taken out on it in 1995-6, long after Stan came up with it.....Yes Mr. Welcome can claim having the patten, but the style/idea/shape was NOT his.

Many years ago while visiting Stan he took me upstairs into a room in his house to show me his own collection of one of a kinds and some prototypes he had made. One of these was his first iteration of what became his bottle plug. He told me it was based on a plug that a guy "from New Bedford" made. His first attempt was light blue with a white belly, w/decal eyes it was offset turned with flat or slab sides. body width was maybe an inch by about 2 inches +/- in depth. It had a wooden lip and looked like a a small hand held ice scraper or miniature bull dozer blade about an inch and a half wide and the head stock where it met the body was planed down in a sort of darter style. He said it swam okay but real tight and didn't cast very well. Based on that he made a few with round wider bodies and rounded the lip a bit and that became the design standard for his bottle plug. Incidently the Polaris also evolved from the elongated rounded body design of the casting swimmer whcih is the bottle plugs real name. Stan never called it a bottle plug. I was lucky enough to be given a few of the one off plugs from him eventually but he kept that one and somewhere in his belongings it may still exist.

He also cherished a plug he called the pogie plug that was yellow and resembled a pigmy bowling pin. It was as though he didn't want anyone to get thier hands on it.

The real facts.

[Pete F.]

Oh yes we could. Spoilin' nice fish. Give it to us raw and w-r-r-riggling; you keep nasty plugss.

[Vogt]

The fact of the matter is, that some people prefer to fish with eels, whereas some would prefer to plug. Why knock each other around about it. Remember this is upposed to be fun, not some kind of contest to see whos method of surfcasting is more effective.

I fish eels and plugs about 50/50, eels are amazing but there are certain situations in which they dont seem to produce.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Vogt

The fact of the matter is, that some people prefer to fish with eels, whereas some would prefer to plug. Why knock each other around about it. .

It's winter is'nt it?
I think this is all pretty good natured XXXXbusting