I wonder if food is going to be covered?

[RIJIMMY]

Huh? Check this one out! The pill may be looked at as preventative medicine and free under the new healthcare bill! Are you KIDDING me! You dont NEED sex to live, but you need FOOD! Isnt eating healthy preventitive medicine? So are we going to have free food too? Where does this end??????
One more example of why these big bloated laws cause more harm than good. Good to know my health care premiums will be going to peoples sex life. Im sure this will lower my premiums.........

Contraception could be free under health care law
WASHINGTON – Fifty years after the pill, another birth control revolution may be on the horizon: free contraception for women in the U.S., thanks to the new health care law.

That could start a shift toward more reliable — and expensive — forms of birth control that are gaining acceptance in other developed countries.

But first, look for a fight over social mores.

A panel of experts advising the government meets in November to begin considering what kind of preventive care for women should be covered at no cost to the patient, as required under President Barack Obama's overhaul.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., author of the women's health amendment, says the clear intent was to include family planning.

But is birth control preventive medicine?

Conflicting answers frame what could be the next clash over moral values and a health law that passed only after a difficult compromise restricting the use of public money for abortions.

For many medical and public health experts, there's no debate.

"There is clear and incontrovertible evidence that family planning saves lives and improves health," said obstetrician-gynecologist Dr. David Grimes, an international family planning expert who teaches medicine at the University of North Carolina. "Contraception rivals immunization in dollars saved for every dollar invested. Spacing out children allows for optimal pregnancies and optimal child rearing. Contraception is a prototype of preventive medicine."

But U.S. Catholic bishops say pregnancy is a healthy condition, not an illness. In comments filed with the Department of Health and Human Services, the bishops say they oppose any requirement to cover contraceptives or sterilization as preventive care.

"We don't consider it to be health care, but a lifestyle choice," said John Haas, president of the National Catholic Bioethics Center, a Philadelphia think tank whose work reflects church teachings. "We think there are other ways to avoid having children than by ingesting chemicals paid for by health insurance

[JohnR]

The Little Blue Pill should be removed from Insurance / Guvmint funds. Sorry.

I wonder how much of a "rise" in Ins Premiums come from the L.B.P.?

That and 4 hr Doctor calls

[RIJIMMY]

this is birth control, not viagra?

[JohnnyD]

RIJIMMY,

Easier access to the Pill is better for everyone. Less pregnancies means fewer kids that we have to pay for.

Granted, I'm still a firm believer that if you're on welfare that your tubes get tied after the third birth.

[buckman]

FREE?? Contraception should be required!! Not sure how the Catholic church would feel about it though.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

RIJIMMY,

Easier access to the Pill is better for everyone. Less pregnancies means fewer kids that we have to pay for.

Granted, I'm still a firm believer that if you're on welfare that your tubes get tied after the third birth.

Oh oh.....we are thinking alike

[RIJIMMY]

I dont have issues with it morally, but I dont think that should be payed for out of healthcare expenses and FREE.
I'd bet you anything you see a MASSIVE spike in STDs and AIDS. Why would anyone buy condoms?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I dont have issues with it morally, but I dont think that should be payed for out of healthcare expenses and FREE.
I'd bet you anything you see a MASSIVE spike in STDs and AIDS. Why would anyone buy condoms?

Good. They'll die at a younger age and that's even less time I have to pay for them.

It sounds cruel but neither myself nor the people I associate with are in a high-risk group for contracting STDs or AIDS.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It sounds cruel but neither myself nor the people I associate with are in a high-risk group for contracting STDs or AIDS.

ugly people don't have sex?

[RIJIMMY]

damn, that was good!

And Johnny, Im thinking high school kids, kids in their early 20s. Should we be encouraging unprotected sex?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

damn, that was good!

And Johnny, Im thinking high school kids, kids in their early 20s. Should we be encouraging unprotected sex?

Just like with drugs, if parents take a responsible role in their kids lives and educate them about the dangers, then their children should make smart, informed decisions.

It's a difference of opinion - I find it difficult to accept that providing contraception "encourages" anything. We're talking about two separate motivations... do young people use condoms to prevent pregnancy, to prevent contracting STDs or both? And if you remove one of those risks (pregnancy) then will they ignore the others?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It's a difference of opinion - I find it difficult to accept that providing contraception "encourages" anything.

Johnny, the greatest sexual revolution in history in the 60s was a direct result of the introduction of the birth control pill.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It sounds cruel but neither myself nor the people I associate with are in a high-risk group for contracting STDs or AIDS.

All it takes is a few extra beers at the wrong bar and...WHAMMO....welcome to the High Risk Club.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

All it takes is a few extra beers at the wrong bar and...WHAMMO....welcome to the High Risk Club.

You ain't kidding. Happens to me at least once a week. Maybe it's because I spend too much time in Mansfield.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

All it takes is a few extra beers at the wrong bar and...WHAMMO....welcome to the High Risk Club.

and what male in the throws of passion would protest to "Dont worry, I'm on the pill"

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Good. They'll die at a younger age and that's even less time I have to pay for them.

It sounds cruel but neither myself nor the people I associate with are in a high-risk group for contracting STDs or AIDS.

You wish people dead and that's OK but I say "Lesbaru" and you go all PC on me ?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Just like with drugs, if parents take a responsible role in their kids lives and educate them about the dangers, then their children should make smart, informed decisions.

Some of the best intentioned parents can have some pretty effed up kids. I believe what you say, but be ready for a surprise or two. Try to remember when you were a kid.....for me it was a long time ago.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

You wish people dead and that's OK but I say "Lesbaru" and you go all PC on me ?

Correct. I dislike all people equally.

Originally Posted by buckman

Some of the best intentioned parents can have some pretty effed up kids. I believe what you say, but be ready for a surprise or two. Try to remember when you were a kid.....for me it was a long time ago.

Absolutely. I was an eff up at times and as a kid, I definitely dodged a few bullets. Just like most of the guys here, I was brought up to be responsible for my own actions, to make smart decisions in life and to try not to be too much of a screw up. Frequently I failed at the latter two, but then the whole "take responsibility" kicked in.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

this is birth control, not viagra?

Yeh, I accidentally deleted the other half of my reply in an edit

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

You wish people dead and that's OK but I say "Lesbaru" and you go all PC on me ?

You notice I left that comment alone, however if you had said "Gayota" it would have been on

If this is a relatively low-cost part of preventative care, i.e. less kids that we need to pay for, then go for it. why the F should the gov't care what the church says about it.

[Nebe]

Hound drives a blocoma
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You notice I left that comment alone, however if you had said "Gayota" it would have been on

[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

You wish people dead and that's OK but I say "Lesbaru" and you go all PC on me ?

yeah and.."cull the people herd"...

...someone should warn the Post Office that they should not accept an employment application from JD to fill the part time slots during the Holiday rush......

[ecduzitgood]

I would like to see it mandatory. I think people should have to show that they are competent enough to raise a child before they are allowed to have a child.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I think People should have to do that before they post too....

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I think People should have to do that before they post too....

If you disagree with me please elaborate.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I would like to see it mandatory. I think people should have to show that they are competent enough to raise a child before they are allowed to have a child.

I've been yelled at before for joking that the government should develop a sterility drug that goes into the drinking water like fluoride. If you want to have kids, you have to take a test before being issued the antidote.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I've been yelled at before for joking that the government should develop a sterility drug that goes into the drinking water like fluoride. If you want to have kids, you have to take a test before being issued the antidote.

You my friend, are starting to scare me.