please help.....stolen dog

[robc22]

Guys....a good fishing buddy had his dog stolen......he lives in carver, MA.....he and his family are heartbroken.....if anyone can help him out that would be very cool.....


http://www.enterprisenews.com/answer...l-goes-missing

[Duke41]

seeing its a pit bull that sleeps in the same bed as an 8 year old..mixed emotions.

[JohnnyD]

I'm sorry to hear it. Hope the pup is found. Crap like this is exactly the reason why I plan to have video surveillance installed around my property once we settle down somewhere.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by Duke41

seeing its a pit bull that sleeps in the same bed as an 8 year old..mixed emotions.

Spoken like someone who knows ZERO about the breed...

Here's a brief snippet you may find interesting...

... According to rigorous testing by The National Canine Temperament Testing Association, the golden retriever, poodle, border collie, English setter, German pointer and numerous other breeds are considered more likely to become aggressive than pit bulls.
The average score of the 122 breeds tested was a mere 77 percent. Pit bulls scored a 95.2 percent on these testings. (The higher the better.)
Not only have pit bulls scored extremely well on temperament tests, but they have been serving key roles in search and rescue efforts, excel in agility training and work nationwide as therapy and service dogs.
...

[Duke41]

sure they are gentle giants. My experience as a landlord has been less than impressive. I have seen bitten kids, I have been chased along with a fireman by one a few years ago. I have read so many many articles about them attacking people. The insurance companies will not allow them in my properties. I think you would have to agree that the dogs have a earned bad rap. Now on the other hand a dog is a great any loyal pack animal I have always had dogs. I have seen and met lovable pit bulls and spoke with there loyal and happy owners. However why take the risk when there are so many other breeds out there?

[MrHunters]

knowing why it was stolen is the REALLY sad part of this story.

[PRBuzz]

I still contend that 98% of a dog's behavior is due to the owners proper or improper training of the dog and "bad" dog behavior is usually the result of the owner's ineptness in owning a dog !

[MrHunters]

x2 pr

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Duke41

However why take the risk when there are so many other breeds out there?

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

I still contend that 98% of a dog's behavior is due to the owners proper or improper training of the dog and "bad" dog behavior is usually the result of the owner's ineptness in owning a dog !

You hit the nail on the head Buzz. Pitbulls have been stigmatized because the breed is well suited for fighting - strong jaws, very thick skin. Just about any breed of dog can be dangerous to some degree - keep in mind that if a canine will never weigh more than 40 lbs or can be carried in a purse, I don't consider it a dog.

People who are that concerned should just resolve to owning a shih tzu.

[BostonIrish]

I'm from Carver, haven't heard about this stolen dog.Got 3 Bulldogs myself..I'd kill somebody if they touched my dogs.
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[bassballer]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

I still contend that 98% of a dog's behavior is due to the owners proper or improper training of the dog and "bad" dog behavior is usually the result of the owner's ineptness in owning a dog !

Exatcly. IMHO it just happens that most of the dogs owners who have no right owning dogs think its cool to get a pitbull.

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by bassballer

Exatcly. IMHO it just happens that most of the dogs owners who have no right owning dogs think its cool to get a pitbull.

Maybe they read: "... According to rigorous testing by The National Canine Temperament Testing Association, the golden retriever, poodle, border collie, English setter, German pointer and numerous other breeds are considered more likely to become aggressive than pit bulls. The average score of the 122 breeds tested was a mere 77 percent. Pit bulls scored a 95.2 percent on these testings. (The higher the better.)
Not only have pit bulls scored extremely well on temperament tests, but they have been serving key roles in search and rescue efforts, excel in agility training and work nationwide as therapy and service dogs.
...from earlier post by JFigluolo

[luds]

Originally Posted by Duke41

sure they are gentle giants. My experience as a landlord has been less than impressive. I have seen bitten kids, I have been chased along with a fireman by one a few years ago. I have read so many many articles about them attacking people. The insurance companies will not allow them in my properties. I think you would have to agree that the dogs have a earned bad rap. Now on the other hand a dog is a great any loyal pack animal I have always had dogs. I have seen and met lovable pit bulls and spoke with there loyal and happy owners. However why take the risk when there are so many other breeds out there?

Who cares? A family's dog was stolen and you're focused on the family's decision to let their kid sleep with the dog? Let them worry about that. Nobody should have to deal with someone coming into their yard or house and taking something from them.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by Duke41

sure they are gentle giants. My experience as a landlord has been less than impressive. I have seen bitten kids, I have been chased along with a fireman by one a few years ago. I have read so many many articles about them attacking people. The insurance companies will not allow them in my properties. I think you would have to agree that the dogs have a earned bad rap. Now on the other hand a dog is a great any loyal pack animal I have always had dogs. I have seen and met lovable pit bulls and spoke with there loyal and happy owners. However why take the risk when there are so many other breeds out there?

I guess you miss the point that NUMEROUS other breeds that people consider "lovable", etc... are MORE likely to bite than pits.

What I DO agree on, is that MANY pits are the victims of owners who CHOOSE to TRAIN THEIR DOGS to be aggressive towards people.

The dog is NOT responsible for it's training.

You have NO basis to make your comment that a FAMILY dog that happens to be a pit is any more likely than numerous other breeds to be agressive towards it's own family. That is what I highly disagree with as it both incorrect and ignorant of the breed in general.


The reason the dog has a bad rap is not because of the breed itself but because of D-bag owners who choose to reward/encourage aggressive behavior.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by MrHunters

knowing why it was stolen is the REALLY sad part of this story.

That is something I didn't even want to think about.

[bloocrab]

Someone from the party (2 doors down) ovbviously knows who took the dog. More effort needs to be placed on gaining their friendship and having them annonymously getting the dog back, or the information needed in tracking the dog down.

Whether it's a dog or personal property, theft was committed and people not that far away saw that "property". The people who played with that "property" probably have a very good idea as to who took it.

Proper dilligent investigation should produce results.

I wish the family good luck in finding their pet, regardless of breed.

[Duke41]

Originally Posted by luds

Who cares? A family's dog was stolen and you're focused on the family's decision to let their kid sleep with the dog? Let them worry about that. Nobody should have to deal with someone coming into their yard or house and taking something from them.

You are absolutley right. Still I stand by my comments.

[RIJIMMY]

read the article, know nothing about the dogs, but it seems highly likely that dog jumped out and ran away, maybe chasing people that played with it, maybe just for kicks. there is really no evidence it was stolen

[RIJIMMY]

ugh..... I read JFs posts but man - you gotta admit its disturbing, look at this link.
A Golden might have the same % of attacks but there is a big difference in the outcome.
Dont jump all over me, Im just posting info.

Pit Bull owners wake up!: Pit Bull Attacks vs. other breeds - understand the difference!

[RIJIMMY]

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pitbull-faq.htm\

Q: Do pit bulls bite more than other dogs?
Depending upon the community in which you live and the ratio of pit bulls within it, yes and no. But whether a pit bull bites more or less than another dog breed is not the point. The issue is the acute damage a pit bull inflicts when it does choose to bite. The pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style causes severe bone and muscle damage, often leaving its victim with permanent and disfiguring injury. Moreover, once a pit bull starts an attack, it may take firearms to stop it.

When analyzing bite statistics, it is important to understand what constitutes a bite. A single bite, recorded and used in dog bite statistics, is a bite that "breaks the skin." One bite by a poodle that leaves two puncture wounds is recorded the same way as a pit bull mauling, which can constitute hundreds of puncture wounds and extensive soft tissue loss. Despite the "quagmire" of dog bite statistics, pit bulls are leading bite counts across U.S. cities and counties.14

[JFigliuolo]

Jimmy your points re valid.

The same can be made for any dog that is trained to be aggressive. My standing is no dog should EVER bite a person (protection not withstanding). A pit bull "mauling" is an aggressive dog. Not a bite that would occur if the bite was accidental (like the poodle example). I would argue that any dog trained to be aggressive will attempt to maul. That's what an aggressive dog does, any breed. The difference is Pits are just more effective. The same can be said for Rottweilers, GSD's, Bull Mastiffs, etc.

Look give a (insert profiled group here) a gun, someone is gonna get shot. Give them a pit, someone is likely to get bitten.

People have every right NOT to chose to get a pit. It's not the dog for everyone. No dog is. But condemning the breed because of irresponsible owners is not the answer.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

ugh..... I read JFs posts but man - you gotta admit its disturbing, look at this link.
A Golden might have the same % of attacks but there is a big difference in the outcome.
Dont jump all over me, Im just posting info.

Pit Bull owners wake up!: Pit Bull Attacks vs. other breeds - understand the difference!

"A blog about Pitbull dogs, for Pit Bull owners, by an ex-Pitbull lover. Now I'm a Pitbull realist."
Yeah, that seems like an objective source for info. Come on now Jimmy, all that time in the Political Forum has taught you better.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

"A blog about Pitbull dogs, for Pit Bull owners, by an ex-Pitbull lover. Now I'm a Pitbull realist."
Yeah, that seems like an objective source for info. Come on now Jimmy, all that time in the Political Forum has taught you better.

just putting some info out there, like I said I have no clue. but look at the pictures! wow.

[robc22]

This thread was not about the pros and cons of a dog breed......just the fact that a family dog has been stolen......and no it did not just run away......thanks for taking the time to read the OP...........

[Hooper]

If you owned a rental property would you rent to a family that owned a pitbull?

My answer, hell no.

[bassballer]

Originally Posted by Hooper

If you owned a rental property would you rent to a family that owned a pitbull?

My answer, hell no.

Would I rent to a good family, that knows how to own a dog & train it, and treats that dog as part of the family - absolutley

Would I rent to 2 19 yr old kids who want to be "bad ass" so they bought a pitbull, and obviously are not training it - absolutley not

Just like I would rent to a bunch of &*$*heads with a golden.

[Duke41]

Originally Posted by Hooper

If you owned a rental property would you rent to a family that owned a pitbull?

My answer, hell no.

Exactly. Most of the owners I run into our section 8 housing types or gang members. It always seem to be somone who has something to prove or just has a bad attitude. There I said what everyone is thinking.

[Rockport24]

totally agree Duke.

Still, the family next door to me has three dogs, the pit bull is the least agressive of other two - the boxer and the lab! But guess whose "owns" the pit bull, you guessed it, the 19 year old son, who is trying to be a bad ass (good kid though).
The father trains dogs so that is probably why the thing is tame...

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Exactly. Most of the owners I run into our section 8 housing types or gang members. It always seem to be somone who has something to prove or just has a bad attitude. There I said what everyone is thinking.

That doesn't have anything to do with this family who lost a pet. It appears from the article that they aren't gang members or section 8 renters.

[RIJIMMY]

lets hope they get their dog back and everyone lives happily ever after.