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JohnnyD · 12-02-2009, 03:46 PM

Cheney: 'I Basically Don't' Think Bush Administration Responsible For Afghanistan Problems | TPMDC

While I don't agree 100% with Obama's handling of Afghanistan, I can't even partially accept that the current situation there isn't a result of failures in the 7 years previous Obama taking office. The ultimate failure which was having Bin Laden in our grasps and letting him get away.

The initial goal in Afghanistan wasn't to nation-build, yet that's what we're stuck doing now. Diverting massive resources that could have been utilized in Afghanistan to fight a war in Iraq is also a major failure - especially since none of those WMD fabrications ever materialized.

Duke41 · 12-02-2009, 04:22 PM

He is a fool.

Nebe · 12-02-2009, 05:39 PM

That man deserves to be waterboarded
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JohnnyD · 12-02-2009, 06:16 PM

I will give Bush the benefit of the doubt with one thing: I think many of the misfires that have occurred abroad with foreign relations, AFG/Iraq, treatment of prisoners, illegal wiretapping and others precipitated through Cheney's pressures and influences on Bush.

buckman · 12-02-2009, 06:45 PM

Give it a rest JD. I can arrange a bird hunt where you two can talk this out.

GattaFish · 12-02-2009, 06:52 PM

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Give it a rest JD. I can arrange a bird hunt where you two can talk this out.

JohnnyD · 12-02-2009, 07:02 PM

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Give it a rest JD. I can arrange a bird hunt where you two can talk this out.

Give it a rest? Just because you praised the ground the previous administration walked on, doesn't mean everyone does.

I'm certainly not alone in the opinion that Cheney is delusional. Some of the most conservative people I know think he's a complete scumbag.

Nebe · 12-02-2009, 08:16 PM

Maybe buckman sees alot of himself in cheeney and likes him

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JohnnyD · 12-02-2009, 08:22 PM

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Maybe buckman sees alot of himself in cheeney and likes him

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Quite a good point.

buckman · 12-02-2009, 10:49 PM

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Maybe buckman sees alot of himself in cheeney and likes him

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I hate people that post from iPhone/Mobile devices

Swimmer · 12-02-2009, 09:27 PM

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Cheney: 'I Basically Don't' Think Bush Administration Responsible For Afghanistan Problems | TPMDC

While I don't agree 100% with Obama's handling of Afghanistan, I can't even partially accept that the current situation there isn't a result of failures in the 7 years previous Obama taking office. The ultimate failure which was having Bin Laden in our grasps and letting him get away.

The initial goal in Afghanistan wasn't to nation-build, yet that's what we're stuck doing now. Diverting massive resources that could have been utilized in Afghanistan to fight a war in Iraq is also a major failure - especially since none of those WMD fabrications ever materialized.

Clinton had the first chance at Bin Laden and chickened out.

JohnnyD · 12-02-2009, 09:33 PM

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Clinton had the first chance at Bin Laden and chickened out.

Clinton also didn't thrust us into 2 wars and then deny that the failures of those wars were cause by his administration's decisions.

buckman · 12-02-2009, 10:47 PM

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Clinton also didn't thrust us into 2 wars and then deny that the failures of those wars were cause by his administration's decisions.

We were attacked! He didn't thrust us into 2 wars. As a matter of fact Clinton prepared the ground work for those wars. You really need that hunting trip.

JohnnyD · 12-02-2009, 11:03 PM

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We were attacked! He didn't thrust us into 2 wars. As a matter of fact Clinton prepared the ground work for those wars. You really need that hunting trip.

You're right. Damn that Saddam for attacking us.

Have you been to a dentist lately? All that kool-aid will give you cavities.

ecduzitgood · 12-02-2009, 11:37 PM

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You're right. Damn that Saddam for attacking us.

Have you been to a dentist lately? All that kool-aid will give you cavities.

Hit back with facts not just propaganda (see below). How many resolutions should he have been able to break before we said enough is enough. I will get back with the facts (not proganda) when I have them but I believe he violated 6 out of 14 (I'll check so don't qoute me) resolutions placed upon him. I will become better informed by checking the FACTS to back up my point of view. Also he had 6 months to get rid of/hide the WMD's before we invaded, I would think that was plenty of time. Plus if memory serves me correctly we sold him WMD's back in the 80's (I will have to verify this so don't consider it fact until verified)

Facts:1.something true and accurate 2. reality

propaganda: 1. The systematic propagation of a given doctrine.
2. Ideas,information, or other material disseminated to win people over to a given doctrine.

I'll be away until Sunday evening so until then get some facts and perhaps then we may continue this discussion like adults...ok?

ecduzitgood · 12-02-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Cheney: 'I Basically Don't' Think Bush Administration Responsible For Afghanistan Problems | TPMDC

While I don't agree 100% with Obama's handling of Afghanistan, I can't even partially accept that the current situation there isn't a result of failures in the 7 years previous Obama taking office. The ultimate failure which was having Bin Laden in our grasps and letting him get away.

The initial goal in Afghanistan wasn't to nation-build, yet that's what we're stuck doing now. Diverting massive resources that could have been utilized in Afghanistan to fight a war in Iraq is also a major failure - especially since none of those WMD fabrications ever materialized.

WMD's fabricated

Unless you prefer living in denial read either of these articles, so at least you are truely informed.

Senate OKs 'BioShield' bill for anti-terror drugs | The San Diego Union-Tribune
or maybe this one:
WMDs Found in Iraq

The media choose to pass over the weapons that were found, so people could live misinformed, delusional or just perpetually in denial.
Supporting politicians blindly just because of their party affiliation is just stupidity in it's purist form. It's time to do away with the parties and choose the best person for the job without the letter following their name on a ballot. Lets even the playing field by either having every politician be affiliated with one party or have no party affiliation, then let people fiqure out who to vote for.

buckman · 12-03-2009, 09:44 AM

Those that don't believe he had WMD now believe the global warming fairy tale

Duke41 · 12-03-2009, 02:48 PM