Brave speech in Swedish parliament about Islam

[Jim in CT]

A member of Swedish parliament gives a speech about Islam's effect on the western world. Sweden has long accepted Muslim immigrants, and as usually happens, the Muslims are not becoming Swedish, but rather are setting up their own societies, and their own culture, within the borders of Sweden. As Bobby Jindal said, "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion"

I know some here will not like this speech. But where is he wrong, exactly? Instead of calling this guy a bigot, tell me where he is wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ZMeYWfcUvUw

[Jim in CT]

If you disagree with the content of this speech, but find you cannot make any specific part of it wrong, then you have two choices. You can either:
a) cling to your view even though you know it has been proven wrong, or
b) change your view.

[Nebe]

Christian bakers who refuse to make a cake for gays are biggots.

People who refuse to respect other racial groups are racists.

Get your hate facts straight Jim
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Christian bakers who refuse to make a cake for gays are biggots.

People who refuse to respect other racial groups are racists.

Get your hate facts straight Jim
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Nebe, thank you for responding in the classic liberal way. Generalized insults with zero support. not even mentioning anything from the speech.

Who is "not respecting" another racial group? Earth to Nebe...Islam is not a "race". At best, it is a religion. In reality, it is more like a totalitarian, violent ideology.

The speech had fact after fact after fact. Your response..."racisthatecrimeintolerantwaronwomen!!! !!"

The guy went out of his way to say that many Muslims are not bad. Therefore, he's talking about extremists. Nebe, you don't have any issues with extremists, like the ones who murdered 14 people in California? It's "racist" to detest them?

I love it...Islam is now a "race". Who is wrong on their facts here Nebe?

Yawn....

[Nebe]

When thousands or tens of thousands of Syrian refugees are being blocked from finding refuge, I'd be pretty sure that is racism. And that is what that guy was talking About.

Sure he makes some good points. If he was German and it was the 49's he would happily work at alshawitz.
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[buckman]

Wait till tonight to hear a true leader accept responsibility and map out a clear path to correct our little set back .
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Wait till tonight to hear a true leader accept responsibility and map out a clear path to correct our little set back .
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It was the guns fault. And the pork at the Christmas Party pulled the trigger
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[Nebe]

I would t call nazi Germany's a bunch of biggots who discriminated the Jews. I would describe that as racism.

Keep pouring on the hate
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I would t call nazi Germany's a bunch of biggots who discriminated the Jews. I would describe that as racism.

Keep pouring on the hate
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you don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on in Sweden do you?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

you don't have the slightest clue as to what is going on in Sweden do you?

Notice the other legislators in the audience, looking away, tugging at their ties. They don't like what this guy is saying, but they know he's not wrong.

After the Munich massacre, Golda Mayer (spelling?) said something like "that's the worst part of this terror...they make us do awful things, they make our children do awful things..."

no one wants to say these things. But the Muslims are forcing us into this situation. I believe every person living in a western nation will eventually agree 100% with this guy. The only question is, how many graves to we have to dig, before we all concede the reality?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The only question is, how many graves to we have to dig, before we all concede the reality?

Seems like that is the ultimate wet dream solution for fascists.
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[Fly Rod]

NEBE....glad U straightened it out........I would bake the cake at a price....proves I'm not a biggot..... I respect all groups and religions, to each their own..... so I'm not racist...thank U nebe.

Jim U may not B welcomed in Sweden.... can B prosecuted for criticisim of Islam... just look at sweden, there is a form of sharia law....women come under the law of allah


http://pamelageller.com/2014/04/shar...m-islam.html/#!

[Nebe]

Some facts about fascism -


Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.



The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


Rampant Sexism:

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


Controlled Mass Media:

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


Obsession with National Security:

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


Religion and Government are Intertwined:

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


Corporate Power is Protected:

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Labor Power is Suppressed:

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .


Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts:

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


Obsession with Crime and Punishment:

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


Rampant Cronyism and Corruption:

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


Fraudulent Elections:

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Some facts about fascism -


Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.



The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


Rampant Sexism:

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


Controlled Mass Media:

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


Obsession with National Security:

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


Religion and Government are Intertwined:

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


Corporate Power is Protected:

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Labor Power is Suppressed:

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .


Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts:

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


Obsession with Crime and Punishment:

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


Rampant Cronyism and Corruption:

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


Fraudulent Elections:

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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I never realised how bad socialist democrats really RRRR....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Some facts about fascism -


Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.



The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Supremacy of the Military:

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


Rampant Sexism:

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


Controlled Mass Media:

Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


Obsession with National Security:

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


Religion and Government are Intertwined:

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


Corporate Power is Protected:

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Labor Power is Suppressed:

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .


Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts:

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


Obsession with Crime and Punishment:

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


Rampant Cronyism and Corruption:

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


Fraudulent Elections:

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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Eben...go back and actually read this and consider what you are actually describing as it applies today

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sweden has long accepted Muslim immigrants, and as usually happens, the Muslims are not becoming Swedish, but rather are setting up their own societies, and their own culture, within the borders of Sweden. As Bobby Jindal said, "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion"

Wait for it............click below.

[Jim in CT]

As I expected, the liberals here could not propose one single example of where this guy is wrong. But because he doesn't support the liberal narrative, he must be a bigot.

It's coming. Western people are starting to feel like enough is enough.

[Nebe]

whats coming ? Genocide ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

whats coming ? Genocide ?
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Something very ugly. The ferocity of this enemy exceeds that of the Japanese in WWII.

Nebe, what would you do? There are millions of Muslims out there who want to kill all of us as well as all of Israel. Don't we have a right to feel safe? Obama's approach isn't working.

I don't want my kids to have to deal with this.

What would you do at this point?

[Nebe]

Let's see. I'd take all our troops out of the Middle East and close our bases there. I'd tell Israel they are on their own and I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.
I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
But to be fueled by hate and blind ignorance due to who's God is better is as ignorant as two school kids fighting. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
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We don't give them anything?

The male shooter was born here, he had a job, provided by the taxpayers, paying $70k a year. Last year, when his wife was pregnant, the office threw them a baby shower. SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PLANNED THE SHOWER, WERE MURDERED.

These people are satanic, brutal, sociopaths. You think you can make them lay down their arms by being nice?

You grandfather fought at Tarawa, right? Did you ever say to him, "why are you killing the Japanese? Just remove the naval blockade so they can thrive economically? Make hugs, not war, grandpa"?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We don't give them anything?

The male shooter was born here, he had a job, provided by the taxpayers, paying $70k a year. Last year, when his wife was pregnant, the office threw them a baby shower. SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PLANNED THE SHOWER, WERE MURDERED.

These people are satanic, brutal, sociopaths. You think you can make them lay down their arms by being nice?

You grandfather fought at Tarawa, right? Did you ever say to him, "why are you killing the Japanese? Just remove the naval blockade so they can thrive economically? Make hugs, not war, grandpa"?

he was at tarrawa. thank you for confirming that you want a genocide.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

he was at tarrawa. thank you for confirming that you want a genocide.

That necessarily means, that you think your gradfather committed genocide?

I don't "want" to do anything. They are forcing us into this situation. Not my choice.

You said we don't "do anything" for these people? In Iraq, under President Bush, we gave them freedom. For the first time, they had free, open, peaceful elections. Thanks to us, many more little girls started going to school. we did this at a terrible cost to us, but we did it, and we didn't do it to confiscate their oil, take your tin foil hat off for a moment, will you?

For the third and final time...did the Swede who gave that speech, say anythig that you can show was wrong? Calling him a bigot is easy. Try something harder. Tell me where he was wrong.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That necessarily means, that you think your gradfather committed genocide?

I don't "want" to do anything. They are forcing us into this situation. Not my choice.

You said we don't "do anything" for these people? In Iraq, under President Bush, we gave them freedom. For the first time, they had free, open, peaceful elections. Thanks to us, many more little girls started going to school. we did this at a terrible cost to us, but we did it, and we didn't do it to confiscate their oil, take your tin foil hat off for a moment, will you?

For the third and final time...did the Swede who gave that speech, say anythig that you can show was wrong? Calling him a bigot is easy. Try something harder. Tell me where he was wrong.

i wouldn't say the japanese casualties were a genocide as every one of those guys fought to the death. anyone who surrendered was taken prisoner. The difference between that situation and this situation is that not every middle eastern muslim poses a death threat to you or me, unless you are a god fearing scared of anyone who isn't like you isolationist fascist and want to irradiate the threat completely.

The swede is not wrong on paper, but is fundamentally morally wrong. I bet he is also a white supremacist and jerks off to midget porn while wearing women's underwear.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Let's see. I'd take all our troops out of the Middle East and close our bases there. I'd tell Israel they are on their own and I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.
I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something... All we do is take their oil.
But to be fueled by hate and blind ignorance due to who's God is better is as ignorant as two school kids fighting. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
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Because Realpolitik abhors a vacuum. Of the three major global political powers; USA, Russia, China, which is most likely to be benevolent and try to foster prosperity for other countries, even at its own detriment?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Because Realpolitik abhors a vacuum. Of the three major global political powers; USA, Russia, China, which is most likely to be benevolent and try to foster prosperity for other countries, even at its own detriment?

Who gives a crap? Let Russia take over the mess and let them be the target of future terrorism. Isn't that brilliant ?! ........ Oh wait !
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I would take all that money that was going to be spent bombing the piss out of Iraq and Syria and build schools. You drop bombs you grow terrorists. You educate them and you will break down the fubdimantals that breed terrorism.

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seems that many of the terrorist who have committed terror as well as those that support them were and are very well educated often on our dime....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'd encourage China to move factories there to create jobs. The place has oil, why not make plastics there ?
Give these people something...
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give them pollution?...you want to pollute the Middle East now?...have you been to China?...and you want to make them slaves to slave labor....how nice of you?

[Nebe]

Just remember. Consider the odds of being killed by a terrorist attack or being seriously f-Ed up by a deer tick. The deer tick has way better odds
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Just remember. Consider the odds of being killed by a terrorist attack or being seriously f-Ed up by a deer tick. The deer tick has way better odds
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You've said a whole lot of stuff . . . but you still have not pointed out one wrong thing about what the speaker in the video said.