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05-12-2014, 05:33 AM
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Rep Trey Gpwdy articulates unanswered questions
Here is Trey Gowdy, former prosecutor (never once lost a case) articulating to the media, the unanswered questions that justify the request for additional hearings.
These are significant questions. Have they been clearly answered already? If so, Gowdy whould explain why he says they are unanswered. If many of these are still unanswered (and I can't fathom why these wouldn't have been answered yet), that's valid reason for the hearings.
The Dems do not want thee hearings. Human Nature 101 suggests that when one has noting to hide, one does not quiver at the thought of answering a question.
The GOP picked the right guy. Sharp, committed conservative, won 100% of his cases as a prosecutor, and he's not a right-wing nut job, it won't be easy to paint him as a pure ideologue.
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05-12-2014, 09:21 AM
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All unanswered reasonable questions. Know the truth and the truth
will set you free, on both sides.
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05-12-2014, 12:02 PM
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05-12-2014, 01:11 PM
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I guess the good thing is that when we reviews all the documents and testimony gathered over the previous 7 investigations he'll find answers to his questions.
Most politically motivated show trial in history.
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05-12-2014, 01:37 PM
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I guess the good thing is that when we reviews all the documents and testimony gathered over the previous 7 investigations he'll find answers to his questions.
Most politically motivated show trial in history.
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Really ??? I guess you don't remember something that actually might have some similarities ...
Does Iran Contra ring a bell ?
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05-12-2014, 03:07 PM
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Really ??? I guess you don't remember something that actually might have some similarities ...
Does Iran Contra ring a bell ?
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Got any evidence?
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05-12-2014, 04:49 PM
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Got any evidence?
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There are unsolved murders everyday ....doesn't mean they didn't happen .
The evidence is coming . Cover ups take time . If it were easy then even you would be convinced that there just possible could be something not quite right here .
Think of this as a house of cards ....
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05-12-2014, 05:39 PM
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There are unsolved murders everyday ....doesn't mean they didn't happen .
The evidence is coming . Cover ups take time . If it were easy then even you would be convinced that there just possible could be something not quite right here .
Think of this as a house of cards ....
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Gowdy is not an ideological simpleton. I don't think he would've agreed to chair this committee unless he suspected (or knew for a fact) that there was something there.
I cannot wait.
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05-12-2014, 02:12 PM
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Most politically motivated show trial in history.
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The good news is, soon we'll all know. Interesting that the GOP can't wait to start the hearings, and the Democrats want nothing to do with it. I find that revealing, I am sure you do not.
Gowdy is not a party hack. He was named a US attorney by one Bill Clinton. He's respected on your side, though I'd imagine not for long, as I suspect he's about to take a lot of powerful Democrats out to the woodshed.
I just hope it lasts until 2016...
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05-12-2014, 07:34 PM
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Most politically motivated show trial in history.
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I thought that was the stained blue dress.....
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05-12-2014, 08:21 PM
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05-13-2014, 09:54 AM
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I guess the good thing is that when we reviews all the documents and testimony gathered over the previous 7 investigations he'll find answers to his questions.
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The point of the investigation is ,to get "ALL" the documents, and testimony from the 6 that were on the ground that nobody has heard from.
A lot of drip, drip, drip, and stonewalling going on. Sixty one percent of the American People want the answers Gowdy outlined which is the purpose to get the at the unanswered questions.
Like I said a simple truth telling address to the American People by
the President and Hillary would clear it up in no time. If there is nothing to hide what's the problem ?
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05-13-2014, 02:04 PM
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If there is nothing to hide what's the problem ?
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We all already know the answer to that one...
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05-13-2014, 11:25 PM
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We all already know the answer to that one...
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Don't you think that after so many (7 or 8) investigations, tens of thousands of documents, dozens of testimonies and participation by non-partisan and high ranking 40 year veterans of our military...that someone would think due diligence has been done?
Back in the day it would have long since been.
Wake up.
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05-14-2014, 04:02 AM
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Don't you think that after so many (7 or 8) investigations, tens of thousands of documents, dozens of testimonies and participation by non-partisan and high ranking 40 year veterans of our military...that someone would think due diligence has been done?
Back in the day it would have long since been.
Wake up.
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So where was the President during the time these brave men were fighting for their life's and begging for help ?
I missed that testimony
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05-14-2014, 08:55 AM
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Don't you think that after so many (7 or 8) investigations, tens of thousands of documents, dozens of testimonies and participation by non-partisan and high ranking 40 year veterans of our military...that someone would think due diligence has been done?
Back in the day it would have long since been.
Wake up.
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Spence, let's let it play out, and see if anything new is uncovered.
You sound a little nervous about the hearings. I wonder why that is.
Spence, were special forces soldiers told to get to Benghazi ASAP? When was that order given.
And I'm sorry, as I have said (and as Gowdy said) when the administration justifies not sending in special forces because "they couldn't have gotten there in time", when obviously they had no way of knowing how long the attack would last, that alone tells me that either there is a cover up, or someone is too stupid to have the job they are in.
The House, led by the GOP, is getting this hearing. Spence, someone you absolutely adore once said "elections have consequences". Well, here you go.
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05-13-2014, 09:31 PM
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testimony from the 6 that were on the ground that nobody has heard from.
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They already testified in October to a House Intelligence Commitee.
Oh, is this news?
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05-14-2014, 11:58 AM
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They already testified in October to a House Intelligence Commitee.
Oh, is this news?
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Yes, this is news to me, I haven't been able to find anything on the 6
sent to Germany having been interviewed.
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05-14-2014, 01:15 PM
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Yes, this is news to me, I haven't been able to find anything on the 6
sent to Germany having been interviewed.
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The survivors who were CIA agents testified behind closed doors.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ersi/?page=all
The others were interviewed by the FBI just after the attack. They're prohibited from speaking publicly by their non-disclosure agreements. CBS reported in 2013 these transcripts were turned over to Congress and they were interviewed again during the State investigation.
They'd also likely be protected as whistle blowers if they were revealing criminal wrong-doing.
There's plenty of reporting on this stuff.
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05-14-2014, 09:28 AM
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I care where he was. I'm of the understanding he knew the attack was taking place . If he shrugged it off and passed on the decision making to others then I would like someone held accountable..... for the first time in the past 6 years !!!
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05-14-2014, 09:35 AM
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I care where he was. I'm of the understanding he knew the attack was taking place . If he shrugged it off and passed on the decision making to others then I would like someone held accountable..... for the first time in the past 6 years !!!
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"I'm of the understanding he knew the attack was taking place "
I'm sure you're right. He had to know.
"If he shrugged it off and passed on the decision making to others "
We shuold know whether or not he took the reins or passed it off. But I don't think that where he was, answers that question. He could have been on a golf course, but dropped everything to take charge of this. Or, he coud have been in the situation room, chatting online with Beyonce while it was unfolding. My point is, his exact location doesn't necessarily tell you whether or not he was leading here.
"I would like someone held accountable.."
I suspect that those who dropped the ball, are about to get, at long last, raked over the coals a bit.
"for the first time in the past 6 years "
Come on, give credit where it's due. Obama has held someone at fault for the events of the last 6 years - George Bush. And the wealthy 1% (excluding his pals in Hollywood, of course). And racists. And of course, Foxnews! Sorry, I mean Fauxnews, haw haw haw!!
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05-14-2014, 10:47 AM
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I care where he was. I'm of the understanding he knew the attack was taking place . If he shrugged it off and passed on the decision making to others then I would like someone held accountable..... for the first time in the past 6 years !!!
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This is exactly the wrong kind of partisan conspiracy thinking that has no place in a Congressional investigation. It's not that there's any evidence Obama was out to lunch and this had a negative impact on our response, none at all.
Most of the Benghazi issues follow a similar thread. Wrap tin-foil around head, play connect the dots, then relentlessly pursue evidence to support your thinking. When you don't find any, it's not because your thinking is wrong, it's that you just haven't looked hard enough.
Same BS that got us into Iraq after 9/11. As #^^^^& Cheney famously once said about the Atta meeting in Prague when challenged on the lack of basis...well, it hasn't totally been shot down either.
-spence
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05-14-2014, 10:56 AM
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. It's not that there's any evidence Obama was out to lunch and this had a negative impact on our response, none at all.
Most of the Benghazi issues follow a similar thread. Wrap tin-foil around head, play connect the dots, then relentlessly pursue evidence to support your thinking. When you don't find any, it's not because your thinking is wrong, it's that you just haven't looked hard enough.
Same BS that got us into Iraq after 9/11. As #^^^^& Cheney famously once said about the Atta meeting in Prague when challenged on the lack of basis...well, it hasn't totally been shot down either.
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"It's not that there's any evidence Obama was out to lunch and this had a negative impact on our response, none at all. "
Similar to Jimmy Carter, chances are our folks under attack would be better off if the military leaders sent Obama out to get some magic beans while they handled this.
"relentlessly pursue evidence to support your thinking. When you don't find any, it's not because your thinking is wrong, it's that you just haven't looked hard enough."
Spence, you keep making fun at people who say there are unanswered questions. yet when I ask you which special forces teams were put on the move and when, what I get from you is either (1) that's been answered already, or (2) they were no troops close enough to get there within 12 hours. Those kinds of responses (either overly vague or outright nonsense) will result in people wanting more details. Neither you nor your hero seem to grasp that.
The hearings are coming. I cannot wait to watch Gowdy refuse to let anyone whitewash this. He is absolutely the perfect choice. If he scores political points, he's really going places. I'm sure that's on ereason why he wa spicked, he's being groomed for bigger things.
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05-14-2014, 08:33 PM
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Check your facts.
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05-14-2014, 09:00 PM
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Check your facts.
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Boy, that's telling me.
Spence, you don't even need to post, ever. we'll just assume your position can be assumed thusly:
liberal = good
conservative = bad.
No exceptions, ever.
About right?
Just read the book Lone Survivor. It's all there. Those guys on the base were not expecting a rapid deployment, but when they heard a call for help, they grabbed their rifles and ran to a chopper.
I am so sorry that fact spit in the face of your fairy tale. Spence, if you need to ignore a large number of facts in order to cling to your position, maybe you should re-evaluate your position.
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05-15-2014, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Boy, that's telling me.
Spence, you don't even need to post, ever. we'll just assume your position can be assumed thusly:
liberal = good
conservative = bad.
No exceptions, ever.
About right?
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No, you just usually post things that you've misinterpreted hence you think you're always wrong.
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Just read the book Lone Survivor. It's all there. Those guys on the base were not expecting a rapid deployment, but when they heard a call for help, they grabbed their rifles and ran to a chopper.
I am so sorry that fact spit in the face of your fairy tale. Spence, if you need to ignore a large number of facts in order to cling to your position, maybe you should re-evaluate your position.
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Everything I've read says that the response was a QRF made of US Army Special Ops and Navy Seals. Including a book written about the entire operation by a Marine.
-spence
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05-14-2014, 09:02 PM
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Check your facts.
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I see you'd rather hide under your bed than explain why the person in charge at State who presided over what you called a "systemic" inability to keep her employees alive, deserves a promotion? You have fun with that one. Good night.
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07-11-2014, 08:56 AM
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This is great...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...ghazi-24507933
The more the House investigates the more they undermine their own baseless accusations. What did Einstein say about doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result?
-spence
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07-11-2014, 07:16 PM
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This rehash of the "news" is so old it is rancid.
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07-14-2014, 07:31 AM
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This rehash of the "news" is so old it is rancid.
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This is technically new news. It was old before it was new.
I guess one might ask why GOP leaders were still pushing the stand down conspiracy long after they knew it wasn't valid?
-spence
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