It's time to..........

[Flaptail]

Nationalize the oil industry. Speculation is driving prices out of control. Industry anylysts speculate (ie: they use the "what if a dinosaur eats my house" theory, nevermind that dinosaurs have been extinct for a couple million years there is DNA cloning you know, sooooo it could happen, maybe, I think) The King in Saudi Arabia dies and zing up go the prices, "what's gonna happen there with the King gone? Nevermind he has been a vegetable for three years before he died and his brother, now the new King, has been running the country for the last three years but you know, again, something could happen so, speculate on what could happen and up they go. Hurricane Katrina wipes out the mid Gulf coast and oil rigs are down, speculate and zing agian up they go ( actually they last a day and a half and most are in full production again0 but all you need is a threat and the specualtion thereof and we get bent over at the pump.

In 1989 there were over three hundred refineries in the godd 'ol U.S. of A. The tree huggers lobbyist got through more stringent laws and we are dwon to 2/3rds of that number so fuel production goes through the floor here. The reason is that the oil companies don't want to spend profits refining the refining plants, that will cut into profits and the CEO doesn't get his usual 22 million dollar yearly bonus. So shut down the plants lay off a thousand or two workers and we all get fattewr up here in the head office. The American way.

The individual States could ease up, temporarily of course, on thier fuel taxes. Here in Massachusetts alone something like .62 cents a gallon. The would help.

The National Goverment could freeze prices with a ceiling. A nationalization would aloow the govt. to set prices, build new plants and control distribution and allow exploration in untapped areas due to national crisis. The lobbyists woiuld have a coronary of course.

Soon it will be 3.00 a gallon. No one seems to care in govt. Everyone still wants their big SUV's. Course if we all stopped driving for a day the oil industry would use the lack of sales and speculate the looses and drive prices up to regain those losses. It, along with the insurance business and Credit cards has to be the biggest legal theft operation around and no one cares but the little guys who just want to put a couple gallons in the tank and take mom and the kids out for a pizza but can't because they now have to limit thier spending so Dad can have fuel to drive to work and they can't buy what they used to at the store cuase they need that extra 30 bucks a week for the store who raised their prices cause you gotta ship food and commodities by truck and the fuel costs have to be absorbed by the consumers or else profits will go down. We are so screwed it isn't funny.

Anyone who voted for Bush and his cronies should be ashamed of themselves. Hope you are happy when inflation spirals cause of this. Do you think this is utopia? But of course GW doesn't have the balls to insult the very industry that got his father his fortune and by way of him his own. He is making money from this, lot's of it. He should be impeached!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

the oil industry...... along with the insurance business and Credit cards has to be the biggest legal theft operation around

And people won't drive less---they'll just charge their gas to their credit card, which charges 25% interest.

[Gloucester2]

Flap - stick to fishing and let WeeWee solve the economic crises

Really, do you think the Government could manage the energy markets . . . they have a pretty shoddy record as a "business" (ie the TSA).

Steve in Mass should chime in soon

[maddog2020]

It is always us peons that have to PAY for all this BS!

What about the senate trying to eliminate the Estate Tax that applies to the richest 2% of the Americans?! If they pass it in Seot the millionaires will save close to $1 trillion dollars in the first 10 yrs - that tax burden would shift to US and the future generations. http://www.political.moveon.org/estatetax/

Not to hijack your thread Flaptail.

3 yrs ago my 12 yr old Toy PU had to be retired. Couldn't afford another PU (didn't want to spend $20K+ was more like it) so I got a sub-compact Corolla stripper instead (30 mpg). Yeah, it stinks, but I saved a lot in gas $$. I put that into my hobbies instead. I want another PU and a boat, but with the fuel prices so high - just NOT going to happen. I put on a roof rack last summer and have no excuses now to why I can't transport my 1 pc rods. My boat will be a kayak..... trolling T&B .... lol. Heck, an 11 pt deer fit in the truck w/ the limbs hanging out - darn I wish i took a pic of it!$%

I didn't vote for that beady eyed bastid GW - no way. If his dumb brother, Jeb runs I won't vote for him either.

There isn't any place to go any more - ya can't hide/runaway from it.

Just spoke w/ the mailman a little earlier - he was listening to the radio and gas prices will be $3.00+ ......... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[JohnR]

Hello Prince of Darkness....

But the EPA did remove all polution controls for the next couple weeks

This is just a subset on what is wrong with the eltie in business today and the elite in that big house with the white columns....

God I love this country and my fellow Americans, but I now loathe with a passion the effin "brain trust" running this country.

Fuel has gone from $25 a barrell to over $70 in 4 years and it is blamed, primarily, on purchasing competition from China and India and a little of our glutonous usage.

We are waging a war that may or may not have been started as a mistake, (bad intellignece of a bad bill of goods?), err, I mean democratization of Iraq to create democracy in the Middle East (I truly hope but I am not as hopeful) to create the next Islamic Republic, eff up after eff up by the current Administration's brain trust, trying to push reality (while ignoring often pragmatic adive from people that have SUCESSFULLY managed issues like these) through a neo-conservative playdough prism. If you tell yourself a lie often enough you will start to believe it.

If you say Nucular for god know how many years instead of Nuclear (even though it is one of the pillars of engery for an energy guy), you can get away with it...

And before anyone jumps on my stink, I will not tow a party line. I don't look at this as a right or left issue, I feel it is a glaring lack of competence on the part of this administration that has fumbled item after item and pushed stupid agenda after stupid agenda. They have spent the goodwill and support of the American people and the world on one colossal eff up after another. Had there been a different person / team at the helm, say a McCain or someone with integrity and competence at the helm.

This is not new for me, I have been feeling this since before we went in to Iraq (though I supported it based on the bill of good sold) while even suspecting that this was a planned event for some time. I am just running out of patience. And to think someone thought I was a right wing nut....

Damn, I went off tangent on that rant. Oh yeh, the oil compaines are making money hand over foot. Never have they made this much. I wonder if they offshored (as in over seas) their offshore platform and refinery engineers??? Back to work....

[Flaptail]

Oh yeah and get rid of the I.R.S. and go to a national sales tax. Even a glass eye in a dog's ass could see that they would get less ripped off than they do now by loopholes and people just not reporting all they earn. This country is being dragged through the mud by the dumbest ( he had the lowest IQ score of any president ever tested) president and administration to date. Where's Lee Harvey when you really need him?

Bush--->

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Where's Lee Harvey when you really need him?

Bush--->

Advocating the presidents' assasination even in gest just ain't funny regardless of how much hate you have for him.

Shame on you.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Advocating the presidents' assasination even in gest just ain't funny regardless of how much hate you have for him.

Shame on you.

I would advocate impeaching him at this point but that would leave the "mastermind" with the reigns. Can you impeach an administration?

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Advocating the presidents' assasination even in gest just ain't funny regardless of how much hate you have for him.

Shame on you.

Let's just call it a "Friendly Fire Incident" and no, no shame on me, shame on that man for lying baldface to us and scaring two thirds of the nation into beleiving he was there man. God, more than half this country is more stupid than I thought possible in this day and age. Depressing to say the least. If he and Cheney got whacked tommorow it would be too soon. Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!! Time to take back our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And damm you all who think not!

[BigFish]

Definitely time for a good old fashioned uprising...I have been saying it for some time now...reform is sorely needed!

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

If he and Cheney got whacked tommorow it would be too soon. Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!! Time to take back our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And damm you all who think not!

WHAT!!!!

You're talking about the KILLING of the president and vice president!!!

Time to take back our country?We never lost it!The only thing lost here is your mind!

You can damn me all you want and call me stupid all you want but I'll never support the killing of another American for political reasons!And before you say that's what the president is doing by sending young Americans to Iraq remember you said "If he and Cheney got whacked tomorrow it would be to soon".You may hate them but they ARE Americans.

Viva la revolution!!!!! you say.The last time Americans killed Americans 650,000 died in this thing we call the Civil War.Is that what you want?

Sick

[greenmeanie]

Or how about we regulate your paycheck? I am sure you wouldn't like that now would you?

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Oh yeah and get rid of the I.R.S. and go to a national sales tax. Even a glass eye in a dog's ass could see that they would get less ripped off than they do now by loopholes and people just not reporting all they earn. This country is being dragged through the mud by the dumbest ( he had the lowest IQ score of any president ever tested) president and administration to date. Where's Lee Harvey when you really need him?

Bush--->

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by greenmeanie

Or how about we regulate your paycheck? I am sure you wouldn't like that now would you?

It's regulated now. Ever see the deduction part of yours? Who do you think all those deductions go to? Next!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Had there been a different person / team at the helm, say a McCain or someone with integrity and competence at the helm.

Unfortunately, you will never see McCain or any other man of integrity or competence......because they are to smart to try and run for office. A man of integrity usually holds that as sacred to himself with an extreme sense of pride as part of his character. But the political parties in this country (all of them) and the media (both left and right) like to take a man's character and completely destroy it. A man who has integrity will not allow this to happen to him or his family. What they did to McCain in the media was disgraceful and after seeing that, most people with integrity, and any common sense at all, will stay away.

Pretty much why Powell said "Thanks, but no Thanks".

That leaves a constant parade of Chuckleheads trying to, and currently, running this country. Why did Bu$h defeat Johnny K.......because the Evil known is preferable to the Evil unknown...

Just look at what '08 is sizing up to be......Arnold against Hillary.... Screw that....I'm writing in Hugh Hefner...

[outfished]

CNN today.

"There's no question gas will hit $4 a gallon," Ben Brockwell, director of pricing at the Oil Price Information Service, said. OPIS tracks wholesale and retail oil prices and provides pricing information for AAA's daily reports on fuel prices.

Brockwell said with gasoline prices now exceeding $3 a gallon before even reaching the wholesale level, it "doesn't take a genius" to expect retail prices to hit $4 a gallon soon.

"Consumers haven't seen the worst of it yet," Brockwell said.

He expects consumers in the Southeast and Northeast to be pinched first, following the impact of Hurricane Katrina on the Gulf Coast region.

I'm thinking of trading my gas pick-up to a diesel and burning vegetable oil.

http://www.greasecar.com/

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by outfished

I'm thinking of trading my gas pick-up to a diesel and burning vegetable oil.

http://www.greasecar.com/

Better check veggie oil first, any agricultural product is more oil driven than you think.

[Mike P]

Just got back from a gas run to head up to the Cape.

Last night, the Hess station was $2.71 and I said, "naw, only went up 2 cents today, how much more could it go up by tomorrow?"

Today, it was $2.89 and I had to wait 20 minutes to pump. Reason for the lines was, the Mobil station across the street was $3.39/9 and the Shell down the road was $2.99. All the time I'm waiting to pump, I'm sweating my ass off because there's a Mystic tanker truck making a delivery and you just know the price is going up after that I managed to get in under the wire

Now, here's the kicker. Of all of the oil companies, Hess should be the least affected by this because they refine a lot of their gas in NJ

John, I can't argue with anything you said. I feel the same way. I've given this guy the benefit of the doubt for 5 years now, and all I can conclude is, I voted for Senor Effup back in 2000. Not that either time, there was much of a choice. I think TDF hit it right on the head----anyone with a lick of sense or self-respect wouldn't want to pimp himself the way you have to in order to win the job.

It won't be Arnold vs anybody anytime soon, unless we happen to annex Austria in the interim

[outfished]

Originally Posted by bluefishercat

Better check veggie oil first, any agricultural product is more oil driven than you think.

I'm not talking about brand-new store bought veggie oil, I'm talking about recycling the oil used from cooking at restaurants, it's free for the taking and your car gets to smell like french fries and eggrolls .

[Iwannakeeper]

I like the idea of the bio-diesel fuel. Re-refined waste oil from fast food joints.

the only problem is that it is hard to find a place to refuel. the beauty of the bio-diesel system is that there are no modifications to a true diesel engine.

The same engine can run either of the fuels or a mixture of the 2. so you are running low on fuel, you can still stop and fill up with real diesel at the pump.


http://www.biodiesel.org/

[Swimmer]

Hey Flaptail you can't be mad at George Bush and the tree hugging liberals at the same time. Bust derives income from the oil industry and the LEFT WINGNUT LIBERAL ELEMENT drives the public opinon against refinery expansion. We need more refineries to help get the prices down and the supply up, (what you said) such as drilling in the Alaskan tundra. I mean at least George Bush is in favor of refinery expansion. So Bush might actually be your new best friend if the prices plummet when he announces refinery expansion across the country.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Hey Flaptail you can't be mad at George Bush and the tree hugging liberals at the same time. Bust derives income from the oil industry and the LEFT WINGNUT LIBERAL ELEMENT drives the public opinon against refinery expansion. We need more refineries to help get the prices down and the supply up, (what you said) such as drilling in the Alaskan tundra. I mean at least George Bush is in favor of refinery expansion. So Bush might actually be your new best friend if the prices plummet when he announces refinery expansion across the country.

Swimmy, yes I can! I am mad at Georgie for not doing enough to stem the crisis and at the liberals for promoting such strict regulations that the oil companies won't build new plants. Course I am mad at the oil companies for thinking profit line first rather than the increased production that could be seen from newer updated and expanded plants that would have to meet the EPA standards which would eventually pay back the investment and reap profits. Also I am mad at the president and congress and the senate for not pushing the auto industry into new technologies for fuel like Hydrogen etc. that they already know will be a huge development and stand too make the country more independent on foriegn oil and energy and satify every tree huggers dreams at the same time. And I mad at Detroit for not doing it themselves. Jeez, looks like I am mad at everybody! I need a rest this government stuff is straining my little brain! oke:

[Nebe]

flap, is the man getting you down??

[Slipknot]

Flap, I'm mad at YOU