Roy Moore / Al Franken

[Jim in CT]

What the heck do we do, when politicians are accused of sexual harassment, many years earlier? (If your name is Kennedy or Clinton, we do nothing and allow liberals to hail you as a hero, but let's save that).

Part of me says where there's smoke there's fire, so we should kick them to the curb. But that encourages people in the other party to fabricate claims. Part of me says you are innocent until proven guilty.

Would be awfully nice if we had one set of rules in these cases, that applied to both parties.

[The Dad Fisherman]

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Just what you want to see in a US Senator.

We (BOTH sides) need a better way to pick people of character...

[BigBo]

Part of the problem is the lines between Hollywood and public service are so blurred. I don't know why (perhaps it's the fantasy world/role play) but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country. Then many of them seek out public service when their acting careers are washed up. Most of them are blithering idiots that think they can do what they wish. Just because you were able to sell yourself doesn't equate intelligence or good values. This country is going down the sheeter real fast. I'm glad I'm on the downhill side, but I feel bad for younger generations like my grandson.

[BigBo]

Oh and I'm sure it doesn't need to be said, but I'll throw it out there anyways; Al Franken has always been a moron.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Part of the problem is the lines between Hollywood and public service are so blurred. I don't know why (perhaps it's the fantasy world/role play) but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country. Then many of them seek out public service when their acting careers are washed up. Most of them are blithering idiots that think they can do what they wish. Just because you were able to sell yourself doesn't equate intelligence or good values. This country is going down the sheeter real fast. I'm glad I'm on the downhill side, but I feel bad for younger generations like my grandson.

"but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country"

Because they think fame/money is correlated with intelligence/character. It's not. Maybe the studio heads are sharp and talented, but the actors are nothing more than beautiful puppets.

"This country is going down the sheeter real fast."

Our moral compass could use a tune-up, that's for sure.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Just what you want to see in a US Senator.

We (BOTH sides) need a better way to pick people of character...

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

We elected Eisenhower. We weren't always this,,,I don't know the word anymore...stupid? Shallow?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What the heck do we do, when politicians are accused of sexual harassment, many years earlier? (If your name is Kennedy or Clinton, we do nothing and allow liberals to hail you as a hero, but let's save that).

Part of me says where there's smoke there's fire, so we should kick them to the curb. But that encourages people in the other party to fabricate claims. Part of me says you are innocent until proven guilty.

Would be awfully nice if we had one set of rules in these cases, that applied to both parties.

You could add dozens of past presidents to that list and based of the video leaked of Trump saying he could do anything, I’m sort of surprised some women have come out of his closet
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[BigBo]

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump.

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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Moore is a democrat??
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[BigBo]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Moore is a democrat??
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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The title of the thread includes one republican and one democrat. That's not balanced enough?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The title of the thread includes one republican and one democrat. That's not balanced enough?

Why ruin it by mentioning 2 democratic presidents when it seems like both bushes, Reagan and Trump have all been accused.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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I mentioned Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, because they are two politicians who (1) committed disgusting acts against women, and (2) paid absolutely zero political price within their own party.

You can put Trump in that category, and that would have some validity to it. But the difference is, Trump isn't regarded as a hero by many Republicans. He's a scumbag who was lucky enough to run against somebody as horrible as he is. The Kennedys and the Clintons are worshipped by most of the left. Megyn Kelly was huge on Foxnews, and she was merciless to Trump. Who on the left, who is that popular, was as tough to Ted Kennedy, or Bill Clinton, or Hilary Clinton?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by BigBo

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump.

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

[wdmso]

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

About Moore my only comment is 14yrs old

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

Sorry I don't have a picture of him jamming his tongue down her throat....but maybe one will surface
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

Totally agree. Times are changing for the better.
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[Guppy]

I guess you can't pat a girl on the butt anymore to figure out if she'll go out with ya,,, what's this world coming to?

[Jim in CT]

And NOW, after all this time, liberals are starting to call out Bill Clinton. Now that he serves no purpose. There is nothing more intellectually bankrupt, than someone who defended him for 25 years, who criticizes him now. Now that the GOP is running everything, NOW the liberals are saying that sexual harassment is not something we want in our politicians.

These people have no shame. None.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And NOW, after all this time, liberals are starting to call out Bill Clinton. Now that he serves no purpose. There is nothing more intellectually bankrupt, than someone who defended him for 25 years, who criticizes him now. Now that the GOP is running everything, NOW the liberals are saying that sexual harassment is not something we want in our politicians.

These people have no shame. None.

How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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Here's the difference Paul, and it's a huge difference. Many, many many influential Republicans attacked Trump for this. Many many many influential Republicans didn't vote for him. Show me that same outrage for Bill Clinton (back then, when it mattered) from influential liberals? Good luck. Gloria Steinem for Gods sake, wrote a huge essay defending Bill Clinton. Probably the most famous "feminist" alive, was a huge Bill Clinton supporter.

You're fighting a losing battle on this issue...

Anita Hill? She was quite possibly making it all up.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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The other major problem with your side's zero credibility on this issue, is that democrats (not you, but politicians and media) never stop whining that the GOP is waging a war on women. When the democrats have welcomed Hollywood into their ranks, that's a very interesting thing to claim. It's a joke, it is absolutely belied by the facts of what happens on both sides, and it's a big reason why the democrats are obsolete in DC, and in many states, at the moment.

Yes, the GOP has a president at the moment who objectifies women, no doubt. As I said, he (unlike Bill and Hilary) got all kinds of heat for that, from within his own party.

If there is a war on women, Ted Kennedy has the only confirmed kill in that war. He is the Audie Murphy of the war on women.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The other major problem with your side's zero credibility on this issue, is that democrats (not you, but politicians and media) never stop whining that the GOP is waging a war n women. Woman seem to think so w/all the cuts to contraceptives, etc. When the democrats have welcomed Hollywood into their ranks, that's a very interesting thing to claimIt seems like the Rep. have no problem ELECTING actors - Trump, Reagan, AAArnold, Bono, Eastwood. It's a joke, it is absolutely belied by the facts of what happens on both sides, and it's a big reason why the democrats are obsolete in DC, and in many states, at the moment.

Yes, the GOP has a president at the moment who objectifies No, it is called ASSUALT women, no doubt. As I said, he (unlike Bill and Hilary) got all kinds of heat for that, from within his own party. Yet somehow he was the Rep. nominee and got elected Pres -

If there is a war on women, Ted Kennedy has the only confirmed kill in that war. He is the Audie Murphy of the war on women.

Where his partners willing particpants? Can't recall them saying they weren't.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Where his partners willing particpants? Can't recall them saying they weren't.

"Woman seem to think so w/all the cuts to contraceptives, etc"

Liberal women think so. Not all women.

Contraceptives are always available when there is a true health need (my wife had a need to be on the pill, which had nothing whatsoever to do with contraception. What conservatives/Christians often oppose, is forcing employers to provide free contraception, when it's to be used for recreational sex. When there is an underlying health issue, the contraception is provided. Your side usually leaves out that part.

"claimIt seems like the Rep. have no problem ELECTING actors - Trump, Reagan, AAArnold, Bono, Eastwood"

So you are denying that Hollywood leans left. Sounds rational to me.

"No, it is called ASSUALT "

He's accused of assault. He is proven guilty of objectifying.

"Yet somehow he was the Rep. nominee and got elected Pres "

Yes. But unlike the perverts on your side, Trump was widely criticized for being a jerk. Lots of influential republicans denounced him and announced that they didn't vote for him. Please tell me what influential liberals denounced Hilary because she lied to enable Bill and attacked his victims? Because I can give you a long list of conservatives who denounced Trump (Condaleeza Rice, Bush 43, George Will...)there was w hole "never Trump movement within the GOP. Was there similar resistance to Bill, Hilary, or Ted Kennedy?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Where his partners willing particpants? Can't recall them saying they weren't.

You talking about Bill? Are you serious? Juanita Broderick has long claimed he raped her. And he paid off Paula Jones with a fat settlement. But let's ignore that.

[nightfighter]

First off, in no way do I condone what Franken did.....
That said, has anyone besides me googled his accuser and clicked through her images? I am NOT saying this is reason to harass or anything, but.... how many millions has she received from those photos? What was she selling?

And further playing devil's advocate...this was in 2006? Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?) Seems the chance to grasp at a gold medal (and the millions that she will reap from them over her lifetime) was worth more than coming forward back then. If that was my daughter, I would done that man some serious damage, insuring he would never touch another girl again.....

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?)..

Until very recently the accuser always was never believed unless they had actual pictures or video excetera. Now it's changed and as I said earlier for the better. I think women have now felt empowered to come out they're seeing that there's no shame in being molested. They're seeing these other women come out and thinking how Brave it is of them to do it . Certainly some of their stories may not be as good as others but I think it takes a brave person to go in front of the camera and tell their story.
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