Sanctuary cities

[Jim in CT]

Having been camping for 8 days, I just heard about this last night.

Are we a nation of laws, or are we not? It's time for the feds to put an end to looking the other way, when these liberal sanctuary cities refuse to comply with duly constituted federal laws. Buffoon that he is, Trump is correct on this one issue, and this may well doom Jeb Bush, and may well catapult Scott Walker to the head of the pack.

I don't know what unites us anymore as a country, I truly do not. How can we disagree on whether or not it's a good idea to let illegal aliens, with multiple felonies in this country, continue to walk around?

http://www.businessinsider.com/kathr...-cities-2015-7

[Jim in CT]

In all seriousness, how does one's moral compass get so utterly broken, that they can't see anything wrong with letting repeat felons back on our streets?

[JohnR]

I do not think we are even capable of a rational discussion on this anymore. We have jumped the shark as a nation. We cannot even discuss these issue on a national level without being rasssist or have the social justice warrior mob reign down on you.

We are unable to discuss that this is simply: law. Abused, circumvented, ignored as convenience, law.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I do not think we are even capable of a rational discussion on this anymore. We have jumped the shark as a nation. We cannot even discuss these issue on a national level without being rasssist or have the social justice warrior mob reign down on you.

We are unable to discuss that this is simply: law. Abused, circumvented, ignored as convenience, law.

This country couldn't be more divided more now if we tried.
Imho this has been the plan all along.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

This country couldn't be more divided more now if we tried.
Imho this has been the plan all along.

But if some cities can spit in the face of federal immigration laws without any consequences, why can't another city, maybe Birmingham or Kansas City, refuse to perform gay marriages? Why is it that only the liberal squeaky wheel gets the grease?

Are we really this divided, that liberals can't agree it's a bad idea to shield illegal aliens with muktiple felonies, from the feds? Are they that far gone? What's in that Kool Aid, anyway, acid? How does the liberal moral compass get this fu**ed up?

As to how divided we are, I agree 100%. Pat Buchanan wrote a brilliant piece on what's happening to this country. If America was a married couple, we'd have gotten divorced by now.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...797&source=RSS

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by justplugit

This country couldn't be more divided more now if we tried.
Imho this has been the plan all along.

Ohhh, I don't think we have reached peak division, sadly.

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ohhh, I don't think we have reached peak division, sadly.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

We have jumped the shark as a nation. .

The same nation that elected Ike, now elected this guy twice? Jumped the shark, indeed.

Megyn Kelly made a great point last night about the fact that Obama hasn't commented on this case, when he chooses to comment in situations like his pal up at Harvard disobeying cops, and Ferguson, and other events that pander to his base and thus deserve the attention of POTUS. This family is showing nothing but dignity and grace in the aftermath of this. After the funeral, they took all the flowers, and passed them out at convalescent homes. That doesn't warrant a syllable from Obama, when the death can be traced directly to the feds willingness to let cities ignore our laws? Yet maybe if the family chose to set fires and riot and loot stores, maybe then Obama would respond?

John R, what is all this leading to? Combine the complete breakdown of rational thought on things like this, with the looming collapse of SS and Medicare? What is this country going to look like in 20 years?

What are we doing to our kids?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The same nation that elected Ike, now elected this guy twice? Jumped the shark, indeed

John R, what is all this leading to? Combine the complete breakdown of rational thought on things like this, with the looming collapse of SS and Medicare? What is this country going to look like in 20 years?

What are we doing to our kids?

I don't know, other than to say we will all be "equal" and divided as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two.

I cannot see many possible outcomes other than some kind of massive nation state takeover of everything if we continue on the path we are on. We will be Greece or Aregentina except we will OWE close to the WORLDS GDP if we do not change course soon and hard. Here is a 2 year old chart: http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfile...prosperity.pdf


All the "Doomsday" issues such as National Debt, unchecked illegal immigration (I am all for legal immigration), gangs, terrorism, global instability in markets, and conflict (ISIS, Eastern Europe, SCS/WestPAC, Iran and a Persian Gulf States Nuke Arms Race).

People are either not gaming out the next 2-3 decades, are smelling Unicorn Farts and Double Rainbows, or see this as an acceptable end state.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I don't know, other than to say we will all be "equal" and divided as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two.

I cannot see many possible outcomes other than some kind of massive nation state takeover of everything if we continue on the path we are on. We will be Greece or Aregentina except we will OWE close to the WORLDS GDP if we do not change course soon and hard. Here is a 2 year old chart: http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfile...prosperity.pdf


All the "Doomsday" issues such as National Debt, unchecked illegal immigration (I am all for legal immigration), gangs, terrorism, global instability in markets, and conflict (ISIS, Eastern Europe, SCS/WestPAC, Iran and a Persian Gulf States Nuke Arms Race).

People are either not gaming out the next 2-3 decades, are smelling Unicorn Farts and Double Rainbows, or see this as an acceptable end state.

"as we bow to our Chinese Overlords in a decade or two. "

Have you seen what the Chinese stock market is doing? Not good.

I hear that any nation ending in "-aguay" is agood bet. Paraguay, Uraguay, etc.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Having been camping for 8 days, I just heard about this last night.

Are we a nation of laws, or are we not? It's time for the feds to put an end to looking the other way, when these liberal sanctuary cities refuse to comply with duly constituted federal laws. Buffoon that he is, Trump is correct on this one issue, and this may well doom Jeb Bush, and may well catapult Scott Walker to the head of the pack.

I don't know what unites us anymore as a country, I truly do not. How can we disagree on whether or not it's a good idea to let illegal aliens, with multiple felonies in this country, continue to walk around?

http://www.businessinsider.com/kathr...-cities-2015-7

Just read that article. WTF? I'm with you Jim.
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[Piscator]

"What should be done is any city should listen to the Department of Homeland Security, which as I understand it, urged them to deport this man again after he got out of prison another time," Clinton said.

"The city made a mistake not to deport someone that the federal government strongly felt should be deported,” she added.

But in a statement the next day, the former Secretary of State's campaign made it clear that she supported sanctuary cities.

"Hillary Clinton believes that sanctuary cities can help further public safety, and she has defended those policies going back years,"

No wonder this country is where it is right now...

[spence]

I think there's a lot of confusion as to what a "sanctuary city" is and is not.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

I think there's a lot of confusion as to what a "sanctuary city" is and is not.

U have me confused now...."sanctuary," could it B or not B a bird aviary?...I need to get some good weed to figure this one out.....lol

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think there's a lot of confusion as to what a "sanctuary city" is and is not.

Instead of merely insulting us for being ignorant, why in Gods name don't you enlighten us?

[Nebe]

Define it Spence. I'm curious
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Define it Spence. I'm curious
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There is no single definition I'm aware of. The term "sanctuary city" seems to be created by anti-illegal immigration folks.

There are a few issues I've read about. First, many cities have policies where they don't inquire about immigration status unless there's good reason because they don't want undocumented people to feel threatened to report crime. Studies appear to show this has been effective. New York City under Rudy Giuliani had such a policy when he was mayor.

Another problem is that there seems to be a disconnect between Federal and local laws. So lets say the police detain someone and under local law they can hold them for 24 hours. ICE gets involved and asks for the person to be detained for 48. If the city complies they get sued which costs them money the Feds don't reimburse so now the City has to sue the Federal Government.

The Inspector General has studied this and found the State's aren't breaking laws but some may report it as a Sanctuary City helping someone avoid deportation which is misleading.

While this murder was certainly tragic and seems as though a bad guy slipped through the cracks, it shouldn't invalidate the policy if there's a net benefit to help fight crime.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

There is no single definition I'm aware of. The term "sanctuary city" seems to be created by anti-illegal immigration folks.

There are a few issues I've read about. First, many cities have policies where they don't inquire about immigration status unless there's good reason because they don't want undocumented people to feel threatened to report crime. Studies appear to show this has been effective. New York City under Rudy Giuliani had such a policy when he was mayor.

Another problem is that there seems to be a disconnect between Federal and local laws. So lets say the police detain someone and under local law they can hold them for 24 hours. ICE gets involved and asks for the person to be detained for 48. If the city complies they get sued which costs them money the Feds don't reimburse so now the City has to sue the Federal Government.

The Inspector General has studied this and found the State's aren't breaking laws but some may report it as a Sanctuary City helping someone avoid deportation which is misleading.

While this murder was certainly tragic and seems as though a bad guy slipped through the cracks, it shouldn't invalidate the policy if there's a net benefit to help fight crime.

that was hilarious....did you really write that??

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

that was hilarious....did you really write that??

Are you having trouble comprehending it?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

that was hilarious....did you really write that??

I think he types these up some time so they can swept into the cloud and get recycled in other places. I like Spence, great choice in Beer and many things, but he is a Strategic Messager in RL

OK - ten minutes of Google-FU

http://sfgsa.org/index.aspx?page=1067

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think he types these up some time so they can swept into the cloud and get recycled in other places. I like Spence, great choice in Beer and many things, but he is a Strategic Messager in RL

OK - ten minutes of Google-FU

Did you watch any of these videos? They pretty much just reinforce my two points...

[scottw]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1077611]I think he types these up some time so they can swept into the cloud and get recycled in other places. I like Spence, great choice in Beer and many things, but he is a Strategic Messager in RL

he is funny in his own odd way.....

[Nebe]

The term Sanctuary city is given to cities in the United States or Canada that have policies designed to shelter illegal immigrants. These practices can be by law (de jure) or they can be by habit (de facto). The term generally applies to cities that do not allow municipal funds or resources to be used to enforce federal immigration laws, usually by not allowing police or municipal employees to inquire about an individual's immigration status. The designation has no legal meaning.[1]
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[Piscator]

Shouldn't "sheltering illegal immigrants" be illegal?

Sheltering anything illegal should in itself be illegal...
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[Nebe]

One thing stands out.. We're talking about San Francisco.
Not much left to be said there... Most liberal population in the country... People there make me look like Charleston Heston.
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[Raven]

Originally Posted by Nebe

We're talking about San Francisco.
People there make me look like Charleston Heston.
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that's friggan funny

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Raven

that's friggan funny

I was just getting ready to do the same thing when I read the Charlton Heston line.
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[Jackbass]

I just read an article on this the other day simply due to the fact that the City of Worcester was looking to adopt Sanctuary City status.
Shocker really. The city leaders would step on each other's balls to get the attention of Boston Democrats.
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[Nebe]

I think it's more effective at creating democrat votes than preventing crime.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I think it's more effective at creating democrat votes than preventing crime.
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That's not what the police say.