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03-21-2019, 09:32 AM
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Fentanyl Deaths
There is a new study out detailing the rise of deaths from this terrible drug between 2011-2016. Nice to see the government intervene but sad it took so long.
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03-21-2019, 11:07 AM
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Don't think there are a lot of new addicts entering the ring as there was 10 years ago .. fentanyl has changed the game and even with this new danger it's not a deterrent...
And sadly it took afluent communitys to start feeling the effects of addiction for the government to pay attention
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03-21-2019, 03:44 PM
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Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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03-22-2019, 07:54 AM
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This is a terrible epidemic that needs to be helped to help.
The stuff coming in now (mostly from China) is extremely dangerous
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03-22-2019, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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Most state were slow on the size of the issue and stuck in old views of addiction and who they were.. and have turned the corner
Not really a federal issue .outside funding and wasn't a very bipartisan topic until red and blue states both started feeling it effects. Then they came around
It's a topic with no easy fixes and it does not discriminate based on race social status or where you live
Addiction is a rapacious creditor
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03-22-2019, 12:40 PM
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Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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I like how you test drove this snark a few times, got no takers so you started a thread. Epic take down
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03-22-2019, 05:01 PM
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I like how you test drove this snark a few times, got no takers so you started a thread. Epic take down
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The WaPo had an in depth article about this last week Jeff,didn’t notice I suppose. Obama fumbled but wait....it’s the states who were at fault. Why do you refer to this as a snark?
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03-22-2019, 11:25 AM
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Heartbreaking
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03-22-2019, 03:30 PM
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Heartbreaking
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Such insight
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03-22-2019, 01:15 PM
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I thought the funniest thing was mentioning Obama and empathy when Trump's budget guts cancer research, makes education more expensive, hurts health coverage of millions of Americans. It cuts 4.5B from National inst. of Health, 25B fromn S. Security, $200B from student loan programs, $818B from Medicare and $1.5T from Medicaid.
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03-22-2019, 02:05 PM
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I thought the funniest thing was mentioning Obama and empathy when Trump's budget guts cancer research, makes education more expensive, hurts health coverage of millions of Americans. It cuts 4.5B from National inst. of Health, 25B fromn S. Security, $200B from student loan programs, $818B from Medicare and $1.5T from Medicaid.
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If the federal gov. got out of "funding" most of those things, costs could actually go down. And wouldn't it be "funniest" if the fed gov funded everything we want and need? Then everything would be "freeeee"!!
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03-22-2019, 03:59 PM
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If the federal gov. got out of "funding" most of those things, costs could actually go down. And wouldn't it be "funniest" if the fed gov funded everything we want and need? Then everything would be "freeeee"!!
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Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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03-22-2019, 04:32 PM
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Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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Empathy and compassion are not indicated as a federal responsibility in the U.S. Constitution. Why on earth would you want the federal government to be responsible for the poor? Is there anything that you think the federal government should not do for you?
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03-22-2019, 05:04 PM
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Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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They are addressing the opiate epidemic. Albeit without compassion and empathy.
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03-22-2019, 04:53 PM
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So I guess your logical conclusion is don't do anything as far as those things are concerned. That shows the different outlook between people of different political persuasions. At least we don't have to hear that compassionate conservative garbage anymore
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03-22-2019, 05:24 PM
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So I guess your logical conclusion is don't do anything as far as those things are concerned. That shows the different outlook between people of different political persuasions. At least we don't have to hear that compassionate conservative garbage anymore
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" logical conclusion"?? Where do you find this "logic" in what I posted? Did I say, or even in the minutest way imply, that nothing should be done? Why must the federal government do it as a matter of compassion or empathy? Is there any limitation, in your mind, on the federal government's compassionate and empathic responsibility? And do you think that the best empathy and compassion in our society would be that distributed by some federal bureaucratic agency? Even if compassion and empathy were its constitutional mandate? Which they are not.
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03-26-2019, 05:33 PM
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The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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03-26-2019, 05:52 PM
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The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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they’re not proposing to replace it with anything?
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03-26-2019, 07:30 PM
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The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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Imagine how short and sweet the Constitution could be if we could only see the true nature of government--compassion. Just think of it--the Constitution wouldn't need too many more words other than "The federal government shall be compassionate."
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03-26-2019, 07:41 PM
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Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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03-26-2019, 08:18 PM
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Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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I thought you'd like it.
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03-27-2019, 06:55 AM
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Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.
She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.
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03-27-2019, 07:00 AM
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Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.
She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.
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I am hoping tuition counts as a donation. It could be new boat time.
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03-27-2019, 09:04 AM
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Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.
She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.
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Here is the proposed budget, you are tasked with decreasing by $7B, what are you saving vs what are you cutting? Let's hear it.
Something to ponder, Special Olympics is being cut by $12.6M but they still took in over $110M through other means FY17, so that is not going to shutdown the program.
yes it sucks, but they have to curb Govt Spending somewhere.
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03-27-2019, 10:37 AM
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Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.
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Why is the federal government spending money on public education? Why is there a federal Education Department? Public education is a state responsibility, and the states fund over 90% of public education. So the federal government would cut 10% of its 10% contribution (not very much money overall)--a contribution that it has no constitutional directive to give.
And we must cry over this as we keep adding to the national debt. A "compassionate" federal government which is able to spend more than it has will inevitably lead to an uncompassionate and unsustainable debt which those who are supposed to be the benefactors of government compassion will have to pay for.
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03-27-2019, 10:26 AM
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How about making the ultra wealthy pay what they were paying bf they were given a tax cut that they didn't need rather then ask the weakest in our society to take a 11% cut?
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03-27-2019, 10:34 AM
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How about making the ultra wealthy pay what they were paying bf they were given a tax cut that they didn't need rather then ask the weakest in our society to take a 11% cut?
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i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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03-27-2019, 10:40 AM
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i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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Why is the federal government funding special Olympics? I'm going to ask this question again, which has not been answered the several times I asked it before, ARE STATES NECESSARY?
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03-27-2019, 11:43 AM
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Why is the federal government funding special Olympics? I'm going to ask this question again, which has not been answered the several times I asked it before, ARE STATES NECESSARY?
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I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% in principle. But I have no issue with paying federal income tax to fund the Special Olympics. Sometimes decency can prevail over constitutional technicalities. Maybe that can lead to a slippery slope over what different folks define as "decency".
Cut the National Endowment for the Arts. Manhattan stock brokers don't need my money to subsidize their opera tickets.
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03-27-2019, 12:37 PM
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I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% in principle. But I have no issue with paying federal income tax to fund the Special Olympics. Sometimes decency can prevail over constitutional technicalities. Maybe that can lead to a slippery slope over what different folks define as "decency".
Cut the National Endowment for the Arts. Manhattan stock brokers don't need my money to subsidize their opera tickets.
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Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed. None of the goodies that the left want to fund nationally will be cut in order to appease your desire to fund just the ones you prefer.
In the meantime, as you perfectly well know, the national debt rises. And is never paid down. But just continues to grow as we add new and wonderfully compassionate and nice sounding schemes to the federal roster of caring things it will do "for the people."
This has to stop. Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations and miraculously there will be wealth left to the private sector to do wonderful things "for the people". And the people will actually have a say in what those things will be.
When compassion is left to "the people," it will be humane. When it is a function of bureaucracies, it will be as humane as tasks delivered by robots. And the robots will be programmed by a few selected people who have their own interests.
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