Got in a plover argument last night

[Mr. Sandman]

Went to a dinner party ... all was fine...talking about all kinds of island, boating and fun things then one women started lecturing us on why we are not doing enough to save the plover.

you know the rest...

(deleted because of possible retaliation)

[Mike P]

OK was she driving a Range Rover or one of those Volvo wanna-be SUVs? Just so I know which vehicle to stick the "Piping Plovers Taste Like Chicken" bumper sticker to the next time I'm on the Island.

The "Vineyarders" and Black Dog decals in the back window won't narrow it down nearly enough, tho

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

4) I love birds, really I do, but we live here too and I have as much right as that bird to walk (or drive) the beach as the bird does and frankly I think a 1000 fisherman outweigh 2 birds. We should help them all we can but there has to be a reasonable approach.

I'm not a plover supporter but hey, why don't we just open all closed areas to every retard in a 4wd vehicle, put a Hilton on Nomans, and let the draggers slaughter the closed areas?

There's plenty more seashore other than where they close.
And as far as I'm concerned, they SHOULD allow less beach vehicle traffic, most of you could use the exercise.

[Nebe]

go make a fake plover nest in her front yard and tell her she needs to move off island

[Squid kids Dad]

Mr. Sandman,
Wish I was at that party..

[tattoobob]

If there were more humans on the beach the birds would not suffer from being eaten other animals. People like her have there ideas and they are the only one that others should follow. Once they close a beach there is no foot traffic aloud either. I bet you don't see her out there during beach clean ups and planting beach grass for dune restoration.

[Karl F]

I am going to go through my papers... it will take me a bit to find, but the CCNS has published a paper that claims that ORV's used properly have no impact on Plovers. Also, last year at Sandy Neck, the rangers opened a closed area to the self-contained.. because the fact that with the campers there, the nests were not disturbed by the predators...... biggest danger to plovers.. Racoons, Skunks, Foxes, Coyotes, and developers. How many miles of coastline to Rhody and CT. have??? and how many pairs of nesting plovers do they average per year? Last year we had 19 pair in the ORV corridor at Nauset (just at one MA 4X4 beach!)... more than twice what the whole friggin coastline of CT and RI combined... she sounds typical of the anti-movement, open mouth, empty head.
When I find that document, I will post the document #, you should be able to contact them and order a copy... might take me a bit.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

If there were more humans on the beach the birds would not suffer from being eaten other animals. People like her have there ideas and they are the only one that others should follow. Once they close a beach there is no foot traffic aloud either. I bet you don't see her out there during beach clean ups and planting beach grass for dune restoration.

I totally agree that half these retards have never done one good thing other than "donating money" so they can get that cute sticker for their car but I'll tell you what, foxes and coyotes on the cape don't have one bit of fear of humans anymore. They'll happily walk right up to that bucket of bait and steal out of it at 3 in the morning.

While it is kinda cute to see a 3lb Red Fox dragging a big ole herring down the beach, its certainly not safe considering they caught 2 in Norton last week that had rabies.

The dog dosen't go out after dark anymore after hearing about that one.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by likwid

I'm not a plover supporter

Are you sure about that?


And as far as I'm concerned, they SHOULD allow less beach vehicle traffic, most of you could use the exercise.

less beach traffic? we've lost enough already, time to start getting back access.

good thing didn't say all of you

beach access being lost is a sore subject, try not to dig the dagger in any further ok

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

less beach traffic? we've lost enough already, time to start getting back access.

good thing didn't say all of you

beach access being lost is a sore subject, try not to dig the dagger in any further ok

People should be sore about the amount of striped bass there are out there, not getting to them.

I'd rather see Striped Bass #'s the way they were 40 years ago than beach access the way it was 40 years ago.

But will either happen? Not likely.

[Karl F]

Your confusing me likwid.... you've said on another thread that it's OK for the seals to eat the bass, your don't want the bounty back on them, like 40 years ago... close access to people is OK, in your book, so a bird that is no longer endangered, can be wiped out by predators at a more rapid rate........ do you also take Omega3, to support the people draggin all the menhaden out of the food chain for the bass as well?
Bring back the bait, (protect the bunker, herring, etc.), eliminate the seals, the bass population might not just increase, (which it has already a bit), they might actually be more healthy... they are starving for lack of bait, that is the big "bass" problem right now...
Do you fish?

[Swimmer]

True Likwid, about the numbers, but most of the guys I know throw every fish back trying to increase those numbers. I think its great a younger person suc as yourself is this caring. After all you get closer to mother eart than most of us with the diving you do. Most if not all of us are very concerned here, for selfish reasons, and for the good of all.

I am a little disappointed at not getting the blow by blow this winter from you.

[likwid]

Off topic:

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I am a little disappointed at not getting the blow by blow this winter from you.

I didn't work in the mountains this winter, Spent November in California (skied) then took a boat from Annapolis to the USVI in December and after that beating my back and wrists were too messed up to try to work up north.

Slowly recovering and enjoying the few very nice days we've had so far this year.

Just delivered the largest sailboat in Padanaram back to Concordia 2 weeks ago from New England Boat Works too.

[DZ]

Originally Posted by likwid

People should be sore about the amount of striped bass there are out there, not getting to them.

I'd rather see Striped Bass #'s the way they were 40 years ago than beach access the way it was 40 years ago.
But will either happen? Not likely.

You can have all the striped bass in the world but if you don't have the shore/beach access to catch them your point is mute.


Jim,
Way to stand up for what you believe in: now write a letter to the MV paper telling them what transpired at the "dinner Party". I would have loved to be there sipping a martini and heard you put her in her place.

DZ

[likwid]

My reasoning behind wanting the beaches closed is for better research into how to handle the situation between wildlife, beachgoers and the inevitable wasting away of the cape by erosion.

There needs to be a common ground that can be reached between access and wildlife protection, and NEITHER side wants to give away ANYTHING.

Thats the core issue. The fact alone totally off topic that in MY lifetime we very well could run out of oil has me way down lately about how we're not only managing resources but how we manage the amazing areas that we're allowed access to. Anyone who's walked the Audubon sanctuary down on the cape will attest to just how amazingly beautiful that area is without the encroachment of people or vehicles.

The cape isn't there for us to do wtf ever we please with it. If we do that everyone's kids, and their kids won't have it to enjoy like we have. And that goes for fish, birds, deer, turkeys, worms, eels, sharks, etc.

Environment and Wildlife management as it is, is a total goddamn joke in this country, the people who run it only seem to see in black and white and don't find a common ground for both sides to begrudgingly accept.