UNBURNED SPOTS!!!

[piemma]

An interesting sidebar to this spot burning issue. As most of you know my partner RIRockhound and I fish 6 and sometimes 7 nights a week.
We are now seeing new people (AKA Nitwits) at spots in RI that were NOT burned.
Have we been invaded? Have these jerks been skunked at the "burned" spots and are now spreading out? Kind of like a disease? Will they infect all of SoCo?

I had the pleasure of an encounter with one of these Mensa grads 2 nights ago. This clown waded through a trought of water, climbed some rocks and stood 3 friggin' feet from me. He then ask me "How's it going?" I extended a hearty RI surfcaster welcome and told him to get off my $%#@ ROCK!!!!
He departed for greener pastures.

Let us hope that this is not an omen of the future.

[lurch]

Ill be honest, I am very dissapointed in the response to the guys question.

I am glad you did not say that to me cause I would have tossed you a$$ in the ocean and replied...your rock??

I hate to be a ball buster but did you ever think that the person found the spot by "putting his time in"? How do you know that he did not learn the spot from one of his super hero fishing friends? I presume that it must be a good spot because you and your partner fish there 6 or 7 days a week.

If it was me I would have had a friendly response and explained to the guy the appropiate way to fish "your rock".

There have been many time that I have fished with folks with the reels upside down and explained to them how fishing that way decreases the power of the rod and with a week of practice you will be fishing the right way. Also the I have shown the same people how to fish the area proving that there are fish in this (notice how I did not say my spot) spot.

I was at a B&T this weekend and I asked a guy how he was doing and if he has been catching them (not looking for specific spots). He looked at me and did not even reply with an answer he just got in his car and drove away. I was so tempted to jump in my car and follow him just to pi$$ him off, and when we got there break out my son's bat man rod and start fishing.

So much for freindly conversation...

[vman]

Great response , Lurch! I have often asked" how's the fishing?" Just trying to be friendly.Very often get the cold shoulder

[Bill L]

Lurch, I think you must have missed the "stood 3 friggin' feet from me" part of it. It is poor surfcasting etiquette to crowd somebody like that, and while he is standing on it, it is "his" rock. As far as getting the cold shoudler, that is generally the way it is, you should get thicker skin. Some people are grumpy and some are not. You cant expect everybody to answer the same way. The best you can expect is a grunt and a nod. If you get more, you're lucky.

[spence]

Originally Posted by toonoc

You cant expect everybody to answer the same way. The best you can expect is a grunt and a nod. If you get more, you're lucky.

Recently PIEMMA has been very grumpy. I don't even fish with him anymore because he's gotten so twitchy with the gaff hand.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Forgot to add..
I grew up in a family that fished commercial rod and reel on the side and ran a charter/headboat for a long time (till I was a teenager).. same thing applies on the water, if someone is anchored up and someone else comes and drops the hook and ends up 30ft from you (in 100ft of water) not only is it unsafe, but it is rude as hell, and the true old school guys would launch sinkers at you till you left...Also forgot to add: Spence is a jackass

[RIJIMMY]

One thing I think all of us need to be aware of.
Surfcasting is gaining popularity. Just look at this site, high end plugs, high end B&Ts.
This means more people, more often. We all can choose how we want to respond to each encounter.
Just this Sunday, I fished most of the night, I was tired and grumpy and ended up at a spot where I knew there have been some small fish. Figured I'd catch some schoolies before goign to bed. This was 5am, the lot was FULL. More cars than I ever seen. I was going to leave, but I waded out and found a spot. I had to watch every cast to make sure I did not cross lines. The guy to the right of me gets a fish and suddenly I see another guy, who just got there, literally running in waders and 3 feet of water, right in front of me, and casts in my zone, I had no place at all to cast. He was practically shaking with excitiement. I was pissed and cast right at him, he just moved the line over his head with his hand and kept casting. I moved, not worth it and left shortly after.
Its a fact that more guys are out there, and the internet is adding to this.

[cheferson]

Its october all the sh-itheads are out in force. Quit trying to blame everything on mckennas article.

[piemma]

I will go into the details Since you really want to know.

1) This guy and his buddy were not your standard surfcasters.

2) The spot I was fishing is, as Bryan said, BIG. There's 2 miles of rocky shoreline.

3) Every year somebody dies at this spot because they don't have a clue as to what they are doing. It's a dangerous spot.

Now the details:

These guys had no Korkers or wader tops on.

There was a 4 to 6 foot sea running and it's pitch black 3:00 AM.

The rock I was standing on can hold 2 guys if you are very friendly, have fished togher often and know the water. Otherwise you will be crossing lines.

The guy had a bucktail on and this is a ROCKY spot. He would have been hooked on the bottom on the first cast which would mean, I would have to stop fishing and finally...

I was into fish and these guys knew it. As a result they were gonna jump in my boots.

Sorry Lurch, if you think I was wrong then you don't understand anything about what we do. Everyone who knows me, knows I have done this for a long time and am the first to help a rookie learn the ropes but no strangers are spot jumping me.

[choggieman]

I said it the other day, the spill over is happening. New faces in places they do not belong, and lotsa new faces at that. The etiquette, or lack thereof is a dead give away. Last week, standing on a rock, two morons in wetsuits wade out and stand on the rock I am casting around. Best of all, the headlamps were on constantly and always in the water.
The article was bad, but it is not the only spot burning source. That website in ct tells of all exploits in all of soco with very graphic detail. So, is it spill over or is it due to direct burning of spots from another source?

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

face the facts, striped bass fishing is a very popular these days.this past Sunday my local paper here in VT, the Burlington free press. had a full page article on striped bass fishing in Plymouth mass.we are a coulpe hundred miles from the water.no matter were you go or look there is something on striped bass.when i first started fishing in the 60's with my father you never even thought of bass till Columbus day at least from the boat. i would say expect it to get worse befor it gets better.something to think about too as long as with all the info on these bass boards it doesn't take a genuis to figure out were to fish even if no spots are named. we are our own worst enemy.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by vman

Great response , Lurch! I have often asked" how's the fishing?" Just trying to be friendly.Very often get the cold shoulder

Don't take this personally, but I can think of better ways of being friendly than walking up to a guy fishing in the dead of night (who can't hear you coming over the sound of the waves), coming up behind him and asking "How's the fishing?".

When it happens to me, once my heart returns to its proper place from my throat and I pull my sticky drawers away from my crack, you get a "Geez, man, don't do that again!!" Some other guys probably won't be as nice

[lurch]

Sorry about that I NEVER sneak up behind anyone but when I see folks in the parking lot or walking by with rods while I am driving ill stop and ask how things are going...I know better than that...you could get shot by a psycho mainiac!

Well you cant miss me walking up behind you...I create a HUGE shadow

BOO!!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Lurch;
I wasnt there that night, but.. it's a BIG spot, and for someone to take the effort to wade out there, stand 3ft away and then admit they had never been there (and thats why the went and stood 3ft away) is pretty class-less or clueless.. I'll let paul tell the details of the story, but it didnt go down quite like that, and i suspect/know that there was then some reason and wisodom imparted as to why that reaction was garnered, and maybe the guy left with a bit more ettiqute then when he got there...

I dont care who you are, just before dawn, you've been on the beach/rock since 3 and someone climbs 3ft away from you (especially at a big spot) you'd get pissed, and if you'd welcome them with open arms you are a better man than I

As far as 'making conversation', personally, I dont go out of my way to make chit-chat with other people when I'm on a spot, but if you asked me that question in the parking lot or bait shop or office etc.. I'd give you an answer; I might not give details, but I'm not an A-hole, hell even walking off a spot I'll tell you if I got the skunk or not.. but if I'm dragging a fish out dont ask 'how was fishin'... I steered some kids (18ish) at Benny's towards some productive plugs last night, in the right context I have NO problem being helpful, but I STILL think there needs to be some ettiqute out there.. we live in an F'ed up world, and in the dark who knows who is getting that close to you...

[whiplash]

Just makes you want to fish RI . It seems that some RI folks are finding out what its like to be found. With all the hype coming out of several RI sources about how great the fishing is in RI people are heading down and up to check it out and not all of them are googans. Some might even be able to read maps,charts and areal photos, do their homework and find the secret spots. Now granted 3 ft is a bit close but that cured by swinging sidearm . It works on the canal and other secret locations . I guess that OTW article really stired the $hitpot. Relax guys now you know what its like to live on the Cape.

[Bill L]

Originally Posted by Lurch

I now know that when I get a negative response Ill kick the crap out of them and take their equipment

[Nebe]

Piemma.. shush... just shush. stop it.

negative, positive, just stop it.

have you noticed none of the cape guys are mentioning anything about catching?????

they learned this last year... silence is key. In your rant you stil mentioned you were into fish... not good. Shush.

Fish, ignore the crowds, walk a little bit more, and most importantly, keep to yourself.

ive struggled with keeping somethings to myself lately and you know what, its easy once you get used to it.... ohhhh if only i could tell

now shush up buttercup...... these are trying times.

[chris L]

I farted and just burned a spot ................................. in my shorts

[In The Surf]

I agree with Eben mmm I mean Nebe. Some guys need to learn they are a victim of themselves. The less said at least over the net the better.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Piemma.. shush... just shush. stop it.

negative, positive, just stop it.

have you noticed none of the cape guys are mentioning anything about catching?????

they learned this last year... silence is key. In your rant you stil mentioned you were into fish... not good. Shush.

Fish, ignore the crowds, walk a little bit more, and most importantly, keep to yourself.

ive struggled with keeping somethings to myself lately and you know what, its easy once you get used to it.... ohhhh if only i could tell

now shush up buttercup...... these are trying times.

Good advice. Although it's hard.
I learned my lesson

[Sea Dangles]

Good advice is right. How ironic that this person who bragged about the fall run and then about all the people at a spot I like to fish would start his belly aching again.Why not ring a bell. SPOTS, for crying out loud when he WROTE B.P. in his little rant before, the moderators never even removed it.Now THAT is a burn if I ever saw it. Why not just let it blow over? We're not talking about a kid here either, just someone who acts like one.I for one agree with Lurch, talk like that to the wrong guy and you might get what you deserve.A fisherman out at 3a.m. may or may not be new but sure sounds committed so respect that man and explain with a cool head the courtesies he has not yet learned. It just might go a long way.Time to teach this old dog a new trick!

[whiplash]

You don't hear anything from the Cape guys because we're all in RI looking for SPOTS.

[fishaholic18]

I'm in

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Piemma.. shush... just shush. stop it.

negative, positive, just stop it.

have you noticed none of the cape guys are mentioning anything about catching?????

they learned this last year... silence is key. In your rant you stil mentioned you were into fish... not good. Shush.

Fish, ignore the crowds, walk a little bit more, and most importantly, keep to yourself.

ive struggled with keeping somethings to myself lately and you know what, its easy once you get used to it.... ohhhh if only i could tell

now shush up buttercup...... these are trying times.

Ohh if only I could tell also

Paul, you can come with me anytime you want to my spots, no one will bug you !!

[basswipe]

I have one spot where I've never seen anyone else.Thank god for that.It produces large numbers especially in spring but not much in the way of large fish but that doesn't matter its a place I can be alone and not bothered by the outside world.

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by piemma

An interesting sidebar to this spot burning issue. As most of you know my partner RIRockhound and I fish 6 and sometimes 7 nights a week.
We are now seeing new people (AKA Nitwits) at spots in RI that were NOT burned.
Have we been invaded? Have these jerks been skunked at the "burned" spots and are now spreading out? Kind of like a disease? Will they infect all of SoCo?

I had the pleasure of an encounter with one of these Mensa grads 2 nights ago. This clown waded through a trought of water, climbed some rocks and stood 3 friggin' feet from me. He then ask me "How's it going?" I extended a hearty RI surfcaster welcome and told him to get off my $%#@ ROCK!!!!
He departed for greener pastures.

Let us hope that this is not an omen of the future.

''It's all Nebe's Fault"

[JohnnyD]

I hate you

[Swede]

Reminds Me of fishing Great point for a week several years ago. A bait fisherman at the time We set up camp and chummed and fished every day. Caught some real nice sandbars, bass and blues. EVERYTIME we would hook up these nitwits from hell would suddenly show up and start casting all around us, complaining our lines were in they;re way. Aggravating as hell, but being on nantucket I took the high road and said maybe you should find your own fish and not bother us. I have hated VS'S ever since

[RIJIMMY]

2005, I remember this thread like it was yesterday

[Adam_777]

Good points in this old thread.Good read.Spot burning is still a real problem and rock crowding is still uncalled for in just about any situation at 3am.Unless she is cold and underdressed with a sleeping bag.We all know that isn't ever gonna happen!