Hamas

[Skip N]

Nice to see the Palestinian folks voted in a nice mederate group of people to govern them. Yikes

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Democracy in action!!!

Becare what you wish for

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[Skip N]

Democracy is a great thing. Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless. Nothing like voting for people who train thier kids to strap bombs to themselves and blow up Isreali school children. Between Hamas in power and that wack job in Iran threatining to wipe Isreal off the map with a nuke this could get ugly real fast.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Democracy is a great thing. Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless. Nothing like voting for people who train thier kids to strap bombs to themselves and blow up Isreali school children. Between Hamas in power and that wack job in Iran threatining to wipe Isreal off the map with a nuke this could get ugly real fast.

So to paraphrase, you are saying

"democracy is great, but only if you vote for who I like. If you don't, you must be a brainwashed idiot."

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by zacs

So to paraphrase, you are saying

"democracy is great, but only if you vote for who I like. If you don't, you must be a brainwashed idiot."

No ZacS:

It is:

Democracy is great, but only when the people involved in the democratic process are not coerced and blinded by both insane intolerant terroristic views promulgated by their extremist authoritarian leaders and by a probable fear that those extremist leaders will execute them in the middle of the night should they "vote" against them.

Do you really think it is a true democracy when these overriding pressures exist? For example, do you really think a true democracy exists in Venezuela under Chavez?

Give me a break.

[zacs]

I have never been to Israel or Palestine, so I can't say I am familiar with the true situation, but if the way you describe it is accurate, Joe, than those are certainly not conditions where democracy can thrive. However, that is not what Skip said. He said, "Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless." That has nothing to do with coersion and fear, more with political and moral ideals that differ from his....

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Originally Posted by JoeP

Democracy is great, but only when the people involved in the democratic process are not coerced and blinded by both insane intolerant terroristic views promulgated by their extremist authoritarian leaders and by a probable fear that those extremist leaders will execute them in the middle of the night should they "vote" against them.

Do you really think it is a true democracy when these overriding pressures exist?

I object your honor, the defense is applying his personal value system upon another culture!

The Palestinians are screwed up in a lot of ways, but you gotta look at the last 60 odd years in perspective to get a grip on what's going on. Not that there's been parity necessarily, but both sides have behaved poorly and the Palestinians have been screwed over by just about everyone including the Brits, Jews and Arabs and Persians.

In the end, unless someone can indicate the election was fraudlent, (that there was corruption or forced votes) what you would have are people voting for who they think is going to deliver the best quality of life for their children. We find terrorisim to be abhorrent, they look at the razing of homes and annexing of land to be just as so...it's all relative.

-spence

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Democracy is a great thing. Its to bad the Palestinians are brain washed by terrorism and hatred for Isreal. Its not Democracy being bad is the Palestinians being stupid and clueless. Nothing like voting for people who train thier kids to strap bombs to themselves and blow up Isreali school children. Between Hamas in power and that wack job in Iran threatining to wipe Isreal off the map with a nuke this could get ugly real fast.

Israel is historically a fiesty little country. If they get the sense that something is headed their way there's going to be hell to pay for the country responsible. The pre-emptive strike known as the 6 Day War in which they crushed Egypt, Syria, and Jordan would be the classic example of that. The same countries again took another pounding a few years later. I'm not sure if anyone knows what Israel has in terms of nuclear capability, but it is generally assumed they have nuclear weaponry since all signs point to that being the case.

Israel also has a lot of United States weaponry including F-16's as part of a capable air force. Maybe not the latest and greatest, but engaging them in any way is definitely a risky activity for any country. IMO, Israel, if provoked, would eliminate a lot of countries our current administration doesn't really care for...

[Saltheart]

They'd have more luck nuking us. Our response would be measured. Israel already has hundreds of nukes and will absolutely respond if attacked. It would be my guess that if israel were nuked all major population centers in all the surrounding arab countries would disappear before the first mushroom cloud disappates.


Higher and higher , now we've learned to play with fire!!! Scary thoughts.

[chris L]

it might be time to read revelations in the Bible again .

hamas humus humper

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I wouldn't write the Palestinians off so quickly. They have historically been a pretty sohpisticated people and ain't that dumb.

It's not like they all support terrorisim, most just want to live their lives but feel powerless to do anything about it. Arafat certainly didn't helped matters much.

Hamas has been providing a lot of humanitarian aid in the north since the 1970's. This probably has made them more popular than the militant wing.

Remember as well that the only reason Isreal let them participate in the election at all was due to the cease fire. They know exactly what position they're in and what they can and can't do to retain power.

Regardless, it's going to be very interesting. This election could have more impact on the next few years than Iraq!

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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Nice to see the Palestinian folks voted in a nice mederate group of people to govern them. Yikes

kinda like what happened to our country a few years ago.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Its Show time.....

[Nebe]

nah.. im done.

[basswipe]

If you believe in all the "prophecy" stuff like nostra-dumb-a$$,all calender systems other than the modern one we now follow predict the end in 2012.The most accurate is the Mayan calender.If they can predict tomorrow's high tide down to the second........

All I can say is:BRING IT ON!!!!!

I'll bury myself in a hole with my AR and 1200 rounds,50 cases of MREs along with all the ingredients to brew a few hundred gallons of beer and my fishing gear.When I come out I'll have all the bass to myself.And if anybody tries to muscle in on my action...LOOK OUT!!!

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

kinda like what happened to our country a few years ago.

Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Your comparing American to a pseudo government that encourages and condones the targeted killing of innocent victims and calls for the complete extermination of an entire race of people? Get real.

It was a joke...

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[afterhours]

almost got me eben.

[Nebe]

hey its true. Do i support the beliefs of hamas??? No, but i do show sympathy for the pallestinian cause. Give them their land back and give them statehood. The more i think about, it is is much like the way the americans forced the american indians out of their homelands. Maybe we could send some smallpox laden blankets over there..

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Nebe

hey its true. Do i support the beliefs of hamas??? No, but i do show sympathy for the pallestinian cause. Give them their land back and give them statehood. The more i think about, it is is much like the way the americans forced the american indians out of their homelands. Maybe we could send some smallpox laden blankets over there..

or we could all swim away and give it back to the native americans. yeah i know ...you got me.

[Nebe]

Many native american tribes are getting what they deserve. look at the 2 casinos in CT..

[afterhours]

in comparison that's like the israelis giving back a dunkin dounuts.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Many native american tribes are getting what they deserve. look at the 2 casinos in CT..

Give up your house and return your land to the Native Americans. Its the right thing to do, its not your land anyway. if you don't i guess they have the right to walk into your home and blow up your family and take back thier land.

[Skip N]

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Usually at this point of this conversation I ask if the proposed solution in genocide of the Palestinian people.

Is that you're solution?

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[RIJIMMY]

Nice Chef, well said.

[Nebe]

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations??


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups.

[Navy Chief]

Originally Posted by Nebe

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations??

Nebe

I've always been here. I just don't post much.

Undercover operations where very successful and will resume in the spring.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

NAVY CHIEF! where have you been hiding?? Under covers operations??


Skip- that website of yours is just about on par with white supremisist neo nazi groups.

Ok buddy....Just keep thinking that all persons who support Bush are Nazis...Your are very classy you know that. You have sympathy for Hamas, Now thats extreme my friend. Your so outta wack in your thinking its scary and rather sad. The pics are meant to be funny....chill out with the Nazi talk. When liberals have no argument you go to the Nazi card. Your so predictable.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Ok buddy....Just keep thinking that all persons who support Bush are Nazis...Your are very classy you know that. You have sympathy for Hamas, Now thats extreme my friend. Your so outta wack in your thinking its scary and rather sad. The pics are meant to be funny....chill out with the Nazi talk. When liberals have no argument you go to the Nazi card. Your so predictable.

no, i only compare that hateful site of yours to neo-nazis, not hitler era nazi's.. You know, the group of guys who go around beating up gays, blacks, and jews.. There are not many hateful websites out there, so that was the best comparison i could find. I guess i could have compared it to the KKK, but they are so passe'

bottom line is your pet website is agianst free speach and chockablock full of ignorant mindless propaganda geared at colege aged sheeple.

hey, if you like it then by all means enjoy yourself.

and like i stated before i do not think Hamas is the best for palestine. I am simply saying that the pallestinian cause is not understood by most americans. I dont unserstand it all and i read about this stuff almost nightly.