Bush to US on high oil costs ....Tough Sh*t - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Duke41 · 02-02-2006, 04:26 AM

Our great president was quoted in the Globe today as saying that the record 40 billion profit by Exon Mobil was market econimics and that we should not expect any action from the government. Tell that to my 94 year old grandmother whom I just paid her oil bill after visitng her and seeing that she had her heat set on 60 degrees. A lot of Americans are suffering needlessly under this bastard, thank God the US is having a mild winter so far. In my opinion Bush is most uncarring and rotten president in my life time. The US is taking a beating both domestically and especailly internationally under this moron. It is going to take a long time to clean up this mess.

piemma · 02-02-2006, 06:13 AM

I think God has spared us a cold winter so those Arabs and US oil companies don't get even richer at our expense.
Either that or Global warming is really upon us.

BigFish · 02-02-2006, 07:41 AM

Global warming is a farce...total BS in my opinion!

afterhours · 02-02-2006, 07:43 AM

i feel hung out to dry by our government.

Slingah · 02-02-2006, 07:47 AM

I perdict between 4-5 dollars a gallon in two or so years. We will be saying " remember when it was 2.50??"

BigFish · 02-02-2006, 07:50 AM

If that happens I predict a revolution in which the government in this country is overthrown by the people....you think it can't happen???

piemma · 02-02-2006, 07:52 AM

Larry:
Not sure about Global warming. What I do know is that it's feb 2nd and I have spent aver $1100 on oil so far this Winter and it has been mild. if we go into the deep freeze this month I expect to be over $2000 this Winter to heat my house. I burn wood also but not as much nor as efficiently as I should.
I took out my wood stoves because the insurance company wanted to raise my home owner insurance rates. I may have to put one back in. It's still in the garage and would work fine.

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Global warming is a farce...total BS in my opinion!

Interesting... there are alot of people with this sentiment...
I do believe that climate change is occuring, and there is the very distinct possibility that we are the cause of this. How much of it is natural variability still isnt clear in my mind.
Regardless. I think it is foolish for us as a society to not prepare for the possibility that these changes are coming/here and are permenant.
The fact that 5 previous EPA heads believe it, while this administration ignores it blows my mind.....

spence · 02-02-2006, 08:31 AM

You can debate the causes for Global Warming, but to ignore it and not prepare for coming changes to our way of life (like we all aren't) is beyond foolish.

The Administration by not even engaging in the Global discussion is doing great harm to our children's future. Clinton was in a position to do more, and should have...but that's last years news.

When blowhards like Rush Limbaugh proclaim that "God created the Earth so Man can't destroy it" I really can't believe what I'm hearing.

-spence

Nebe · 02-02-2006, 08:41 AM

ha, you should see my propane bill at work.. im going to have to raise my prices

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

When blowhards like Rush Limbaugh proclaim that "God created the Earth so Man can't destroy it" I really can't believe what I'm hearing.
-spence

OK; I'm not about to defend that right wing whack job.. but...
having an education in Geology, you begin to appreciate the time scales at work... if every nuke was launched today, as a species we'd be gone... but in a million or so years.. check back... it'd be a different planet, but the Earth would still be there... there just would be a noticable lack of Homo sapiens......

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 12:28 PM

Skip:
I dont have time to write a long winded response with references etc..
First off: I'm not a climatologist, when I write stuff here, its off the cuff stuff I know, but am not an expert in.
Best example I can give you off the top of my head:

IF the gulf stream slows down; i.e due to increased freshwater input into the NW atlantic, (i.e melting the ice caps). When this happens, the denisty contrast that allows the gulf stream to 'run'; then the warm water than heats western europe would slow or stop. This would make for colder conditions in Europe while the rest of the planet is getting warmer. There are alot of other effects of this as well.

bart · 02-02-2006, 12:39 PM

Bryan- we are presently on the downside of an Ice Age, no? So wouldn't it make sense that the temps would increase, as the ice is retreating?

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 12:44 PM

We're well past the end of the ice age;
We're in an interglacial period, the true "Ice Sheet' called the Laurentide that was over New England etc.. at one point is gone... ~6k yrs ago.
the ice retreating today is from increased melting and is limited to Alpine glaciers, as well as the polar caps.

Actually the climate infront of the retreating Laurentide sheet was quite unusual, with probably no modern analog.. fiercely cold winters and pretty warm summers (lots of melting)

guess that you paid attention in geology class

bart · 02-02-2006, 12:49 PM

thanks for clarifying, i knew it was going to be more complicated than what i wrote.

me likey Geo

cheferson · 02-02-2006, 01:03 PM

CO2 level pre-industrial age- 280ppm
C02 last week- 379 ppm

Thats a pretty large increase in a short period of time, its gotta have some effect.

RIJIMMY · 02-02-2006, 01:06 PM

Not a defense, but just some clarification. the market drives oil prices, not the oil companies. Oil companies keep huge supplies of oil barrels. The cost to produce them remains the same. If the price to produce them is $10 and a barrel is selling for $25, they have a profit of $15. If it is selling at $65, then profit is $55. hence the record profit. They basically do nothing, and make a ton more profit. Oil is a limited resource that scientists have been saying for decades is running down, world oil consumption has increased 10 fold in the past 5 years. A dramatic rise in price is to be expected.
The key is to find alernate fuels. Oil will be expensive for as long as we are around. It is not some profit drive conspiracy, as much as it is hurting the common man, it is hurting other businesses. Do you think CEOs of major corparations would be sitting back if they beleived the oil companies were shafting them?

MoroneSaxatilis · 02-02-2006, 07:32 PM

So what was the deal with the "mini ice age" during the Middle Ages? Was it just an aberation in the Big Picture of overall climate change? I realize that the time that it lasted is barely a blip in geologic time scales.

Raven · 02-03-2006, 10:20 AM

you cant tell me there isnt global warming...

it used to be....that you could plant a second crop
in the latter half of august and take advantage of
the cooler temperatures in fall for the cole crops
that like cooler temperatures....

not last fall...

to friggan hot...90 degrees
for almost all of september...at least where i live

no matter how much i watered it wasnt enough...
most everything bolted.... i finally said: frig this,,,
and i have never done that before..

it's getting to the point that i'll have to build a shade
cloth trellis to make 50% shade...
------------------------------------------------------------
the north and south poles ice,,,,,
are the earth's Air conditioners....

spence · 02-02-2006, 12:45 PM

Bart, I think what's of most concern is the rate of change. Scientists have a pretty good idea of glacial patterns for some time, and in the last 30 years there has been a shocking loss.

-spence

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 12:46 PM

Yeah the main point there is that the 'ice age' ice sheet is gone and it's modern glaciers melting

Swimmer · 02-03-2006, 11:38 AM

Why not just take them over? Turn the profits into larger public programs.

Skitterpop · 02-04-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke41

Our great president was quoted in the Globe today as saying that the record 40 billion profit by Exon Mobil was market econimics and that we should not expect any action from the government. Tell that to my 94 year old grandmother whom I just paid her oil bill after visitng her and seeing that she had her heat set on 60 degrees. A lot of Americans are suffering needlessly under this bastard, thank God the US is having a mild winter so far. In my opinion Bush is most uncarring and rotten president in my life time. The US is taking a beating both domestically and especailly internationally under this moron. It is going to take a long time to clean up this mess.

Skip N must love you Duke

Skip N · 02-04-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

Skip N must love you Duke

I love everyone

Raven · 02-04-2006, 12:24 PM

on high oil prices:

CA CHING ! $$$$