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04-24-2006, 09:32 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Presidential Words Of Wisdom!
President Bush was quoted this morning as saying that there is not much the Government can do about the increase in gasoline.  However he did offer these words of wisdom......."If you don't need gasoline.....don't buy any!"
Wow!  Too bad we can't keep him in office for another 4 years......is this guy for real? 
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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04-24-2006, 10:15 AM
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Oh, so next time I go to the station I should avoid pumping it into the trash can like I normally do?
I will hold him, you kick him in the beans.
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04-24-2006, 10:24 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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04-24-2006, 10:29 AM
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I guess that big group of smilies is a line forming behind you to kick him in the beans? 
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04-24-2006, 10:42 AM
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I like bush.
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04-24-2006, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
I like bush.
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I like No Bush... 
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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04-24-2006, 11:06 AM
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Boston Anglah
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
I like No Bush... 
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2nd
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Used hard and put away dirty....
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04-24-2006, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
I like No Bush... 
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touche' 
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04-24-2006, 11:59 AM
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"In this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis; you don't have much time to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval Office, kind of asking different portraits, 'How do you think my standing will be?'" —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005
"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
"I was going to say he's a piece of work, but that might not translate too well. Is that all right, if I call you a 'piece of work'?" —George W. Bush to Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister of Luxembourg, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005
"Wow! Brazil is big." —George W. Bush, after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia, Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005
"I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome." —George W. Bush, defending Vice President #^^^^& Cheney's pre-war assertion that the United States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, NBC Nightly News interview, Dec. 12, 2005
"In terms of timetables, as quickly as possible — whatever that means." —George W. Bush, on his time frame for shoring up Social Security, Washington D.C., March 16, 2005
"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table." —George W. Bush, Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005
"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005
"After all, Europe is America's closest ally." —George W. Bush, Mainz, Germany, Feb. 23, 2005
"Because he's hiding." —George W. Bush, responding to a reporter who asked why Osama bin Laden had not been caught, aboard Air Force One, Jan. 14, 2005
"Who could have possibly envisioned an erection — an election in Iraq at this point in history?" —George W. Bush, at the white House, Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2005
"We need to apply 21st-century information technology to the health care field. We need to have our medical records put on the I.T." —George W. Bush, Collinsville, Ill., Jan. 5, 2005
...And these are just a sampling.......of just 2005....there 6 years of this stuff out there
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04-24-2006, 09:43 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFish
President Bush was quoted this morning as saying that there is not much the Government can do about the increase in gasoline.  However he did offer these words of wisdom......."If you don't need gasoline.....don't buy any!"
Wow!  Too bad we can't keep him in office for another 4 years......is this guy for real? 
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One reason for this statement is he is lining his pockets to.
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04-24-2006, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tattoobob
One reason for this statement is he is lining his pockets to.
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Please show me the facts and evidence that Bush is lining his pockets with money from the high gas prices. I await your response and look forward to the facts i'm sure you will present me....
Last edited by Skip N; 04-25-2006 at 12:30 AM..
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04-25-2006, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Skip N
Please show me the facts and evidence that Bush is lining his pockets with money from the high gas prices. I await your response and look forward to the facts i'm sure you will present me....
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If you need TO SEE PROOF you won`t see it at this point in your time 
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04-25-2006, 07:53 AM
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To keep the Bush critique on the level, I don't believe there is any evidence he is personally benefiting from the current gas cruch.
That's not to say that the Administration isn't closer to the oil industry than any previous, and that given how tight their "old boys network" is... in the long run they won't benefit indirectly.
So let's focus on all the real morally and legally questionable behavior that's helped earn his 60% DISSAPROVAL RATING.
-spence
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04-25-2006, 08:07 AM
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OK
I don`t have proof but I`m sure the family does profit. They still have huge ties to the industry.
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04-25-2006, 09:15 AM
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Ok here is your proof:
Bush owns stock in General Electric, BP, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, Newmont Gold Mining Corporation, Pennzoil and Tom Brown, Inc.
When profits go up, stock value goes up. Last time I checked Exxon Mobil has seen record profits, effectively putting money DIRECTLY into Geroge Bush's pocket.
There, he has clearly profited, there is no doubt, it is simple economics. Why would someone be inclined to make himself lose money?
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04-25-2006, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Ok here is your proof:
Bush owns stock in General Electric, BP, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, Newmont Gold Mining Corporation, Pennzoil and Tom Brown, Inc.
When profits go up, stock value goes up. Last time I checked Exxon Mobil has seen record profits, effectively putting money DIRECTLY into Geroge Bush's pocket.
There, he has clearly profited, there is no doubt, it is simple economics. Why would someone be inclined to make himself lose money?
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So i guess what your saying is that any president or memeber of congress should not be aloud to hold publicly traded stocks of any kind? When people talk of Bush profiting from the gas prices they are not refering to his public stock ownership, I'm sure most members of congress own some oil stocks. What the anti Bush folks are trying to imply is that he his getting bribes and millions upon millions dirrectlly from the oil companies. Thats whats at issue, not what stocks bush owns.
Nice try though....
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04-25-2006, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Skip N
So i guess what your saying is that any president or memeber of congress should not be aloud to hold publicly traded stocks of any kind? When people talk of Bush profiting from the gas prices they are not refering to his public stock ownership, I'm sure most members of congress own some oil stocks. What the anti Bush folks are trying to imply is that he his getting bribes and millions upon millions dirrectlly from the oil companies. Thats whats at issue, not what stocks bush owns.
Nice try though....
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Yes, he and all other public figures should sell off all their holdings as it in no doubt will cloud thier judgment when it is time to hit themselves in the pocket. the same lawyer cannot represent both sides of a case due to conflict of interest, the same should apply here. We are not talking ALL public holdings, do not generalize the subject, it makes you look confused.
Bribes? He did recieve 2.8 billion in campaign funds from the energy industry. - Another ten second google fact.
Oh and I voted for him TWICE
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04-25-2006, 10:11 AM
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More Bush quotes. Sourced at boycottlibralisim.com. If you google the individual quotes they come up in various speaches he's made....
"Free people will set the course of history."
"Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity."
"America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people."
"Our greatest responsibility is the active defense of the American people."
"The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."
"I believe the most solemn duty of the American president is to protect the American people."
"On September the eleventh, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country."
"Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended."
"Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them."
"We are serving in freedom's cause -- and that is the cause of all mankind."
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace"
"No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate."
"The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands."
"By promoting liberty abroad, we will build a safer world. By encouraging liberty at home, we will build a more hopeful America."
"The story of America is the story of expanding liberty: an ever-widening circle, constantly growing to reach further and include more."
"I can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
"Do I forget the lessons of September 11th and take the word of a madman, or do I take action to defend our country? Faced with that choice, I will defend America every time."
"The deliberate and deadly attacks which were carried out yesterday against our country were more than acts of terror. They were acts of war."
"With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got."
"Great tragedy has come to us, and we are meeting it with the best that is in our country, with courage and concern for others because this is America. This is who we are."
"History has called America and our allies to action, and it is both our responsibility and our privilege to fight freedom's fight."
"I believe all these things because freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."
"There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment and expose the pretensions of tyrants and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant. And that is the force of human freedom."
"Any government that supports, protects or harbours terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes."
"So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."
"Far from being a hopeless dream, the advance of freedom is the great story of our time. In 1945, there were about two dozen lonely democracies on Earth. Today, there are 122."
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04-25-2006, 10:18 AM
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RFA: The Goldmine of Oil
or as I like to call it: Really F in Americans
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04-25-2006, 10:19 AM
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Yea, it's amazing what Bush can say when he's delivering carefully scripted and well rehearsed lines
Too bad it's all cast into the meaningless pit of bullshyte.
-spence
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04-25-2006, 03:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottC
Ok here is your proof:
Bush owns stock in General Electric, BP, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, Newmont Gold Mining Corporation, Pennzoil and Tom Brown, Inc.
When profits go up, stock value goes up. Last time I checked Exxon Mobil has seen record profits, effectively putting money DIRECTLY into Geroge Bush's pocket.
There, he has clearly profited, there is no doubt, it is simple economics. Why would someone be inclined to make himself lose money?
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Do you have a 401k? If so it is highly likely that you too are profiting from high oil prices.
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04-25-2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Do you have a 401k? If so it is highly likely that you too are profiting from high oil prices.
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I do nt have a 401k I own my onw business and do not need one.
It doesn't matter anyway, if you understood the piont, you would realize that owning oil stocks is not a bad thing....unless your running the vcountry that is getting screwed my them and you are responsable for protecting our interests. How can someone make a desision that could seriously hurt the price of the stocks he personally owns, and he own millions of dollars worth form the the harken days. He have 600,000 shares that have split and grown a few times.
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04-25-2006, 03:44 PM
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Bushs statement that "if you dont need gas dont buy it" may have more substance then it may appear. Think about it. How many gallons do you have sitting in your driveway at any point in time? Multiply those gallons by however many millions of cars parked at peoples homes and work. Safe to say it is hundreds of millions or gaziilions or whatever gallons. What if you kept your tank near empty instead of near full and only bought gas on an as needed basis? If we all did that where would all that gas be instead of in our driveways? Back at the gas station or next step still at the refinery. If this is supply and demand driven as we are told this maybe an effective way to balance that supply and demand in our favor. This might be flawed logic but I'll let you guys decide.
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04-25-2006, 07:27 PM
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The power of reasoning amazes me often
A full tank of gas provides better fuel economy I was told many years ago.
What if it was a food shortage? Would it be ok for Bush to say don`t buy it if you don`t need it? Oh wait.... we do have many homeless and and people living in abject poverty now in America who are faced with daily starvation.
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04-25-2006, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Bushs statement that "if you dont need gas dont buy it" may have more substance then it may appear. Think about it. How many gallons do you have sitting in your driveway at any point in time? Multiply those gallons by however many millions of cars parked at peoples homes and work. Safe to say it is hundreds of millions or gaziilions or whatever gallons. What if you kept your tank near empty instead of near full and only bought gas on an as needed basis? If we all did that where would all that gas be instead of in our driveways? Back at the gas station or next step still at the refinery. If this is supply and demand driven as we are told this maybe an effective way to balance that supply and demand in our favor. This might be flawed logic but I'll let you guys decide.
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So by your reasoning we should by gas by the gallon? Sure, so we have to make more trips to the gas station...a place none of us go unless we have to, by doing this we are WASTING gas by having to refill more oftern. You asked is your logic flawed? Yes it is. Not to mention the impact you have on your engine when running it near empty. Your gas tank has sedimentary impurities in it. By running on the ragged edge you will clog your filters, and injectors. I do not know how many of you know about EFI, but my other hobby is high horsepower Mustangs, and I mean 1,000RWHP turbo street and drag cars. THis is somthing I know quite a bit about. an EFI high pressure fuel system needs atleat a 1/8 tank to insure you do not run lean and have detonation problems. Bushes comment it the stupidest thing I have ever heard, he is truly a moron and I regret voting for him.
ANd no detonation does not mean what you think it is, Detonation sounds like marbles jingling around in your heads. Some call it pinging.
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04-26-2006, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottC
So by your reasoning we should by gas by the gallon? Sure, so we have to make more trips to the gas station...a place none of us go unless we have to, by doing this we are WASTING gas by having to refill more oftern. You asked is your logic flawed? Yes it is. Not to mention the impact you have on your engine when running it near empty. Your gas tank has sedimentary impurities in it. By running on the ragged edge you will clog your filters, and injectors. I do not know how many of you know about EFI, but my other hobby is high horsepower Mustangs, and I mean 1,000RWHP turbo street and drag cars. THis is somthing I know quite a bit about. an EFI high pressure fuel system needs atleat a 1/8 tank to insure you do not run lean and have detonation problems. Bushes comment it the stupidest thing I have ever heard, he is truly a moron and I regret voting for him.
ANd no detonation does not mean what you think it is, Detonation sounds like marbles jingling around in your heads. Some call it pinging.
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My logic may be flawed but not by the points you have shown. I never mentioned buying gas by "the gallon". I simply stated that it probably doesn't make sense to have full tanks of gas sitting in your driveway. Driving with a quarter of a tank is NOT running it near empty. For every additional one hundred pounds of weight in your vehicle you reduce your fuel mileage by approximately one percent. A gallon of gas weighs about 8.66 pounds. The difference in weight between a quarter of tank and a full tank is somewhere around 91 lbs on avg thus increasing fuel economy by .91 %. Might not be much on an individual basis but overall it is a huge number of gallons nation wide. More trips to the gas station? Yep. Does it add any additional mileage? Nope. How many gas stations do you drive by everyday? Therefore you are not wasting gas on additional trips to a gas station (unless you are a moron who is going to make special trips just to buy gas). Bottom line, sitting back and demanding low gas prices while trying to blame a single individual on high gas prices and refusing to change your driving habits is flawed logic. The one truly effective method we have of controlling gas prices is changing our driving and purchasing habits. The increased mileage economy of driving with less gas / weight in your vehicle coupled with the transfer of supply from your driveway to gas station and refineries seems to be a more effective strategy than stomping around chanting "Bush sucks".
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04-26-2006, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Driving with a quarter of a tank is NOT running it near empty.
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It's relative. For someone who doesn't drive that often it may not be an issue but anyone who commutes or drives a lot for business 1/4 of a tank can be suicide when the traffic is jammed.
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The increased mileage economy of driving with less gas / weight in your vehicle coupled with the transfer of supply from your driveway to gas station and refineries seems to be a more effective strategy than stomping around chanting "Bush sucks".
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Sure there's a lot the individual can do, and I for one try to do what I can to minimize my personal footprint.
But on 9/11 everything was to supposed to have "changed"...and we all know the intrinsic relationship between Energy Dependence and National Security.
If radical measures are justified to preserve one, the People do have the right to demand change from our leadership on the other.
-spence
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04-26-2006, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Bushs statement that "if you dont need gas dont buy it" may have more substance then it may appear.
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Odds are it's another gaffe. "If you don't need to consume gas then don't," or "don't drive if you don't need to" would have made a lot more sense.
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04-25-2006, 07:40 PM
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