Israel and World War Three

[Skitterpop]

Some could argue we have been in World War Three for quite some time now. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what is going on now and the huge world wide increase in terrorism it will engender... I believe.


Look for something major to happen soon.... this is relative because to me something major is old news and ongoing. I`m dreading Nuclear of some sorts.

[spence]

I'd characterize it more as a global insurgency fueled by many factors...perceived aggression towards Muslims, radicalisim, legacy colonial issues, Western policy priorities, and inibility of Islamic leaders to modernize and provide for their people as well as the communications technology revolution of the past 10 years that has flattened the Earth.

While a nuclear terror event is certainly possible, there are so many factors against it that it shouldn't be a prime concern...at least not to the average joe.

Overall I think how we're waging the 'war on terror' will in the short term do more to incite violence than help, which will undermine long-term stratagies towards democratization...Just look at Russia, Egypt, Palestine and Iran as prime examples.

Recapturing the moral high-ground and demonstrating solid International leadership will dramatically improve our ability to solve problems via peaceful means, and give us much more freedom for our military to act with impugnity when it is really necessary to preserve our national security.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd characterize it more as a global insurgency fueled by many factors...perceived aggression towards Muslims, radicalisim, legacy colonial issues, Western policy priorities, and inibility of Islamic leaders to modernize and provide for their people as well as the communications technology revolution of the past 10 years that has flattened the Earth.

While a nuclear terror event is certainly possible, there are so many factors against it that it shouldn't be a prime concern...at least not to the average joe.

Overall I think how we're waging the 'war on terror' will in the short term do more to incite violence than help, which will undermine long-term stratagies towards democratization...Just look at Russia, Egypt, Palestine and Iran as prime examples.

Recapturing the moral high-ground and demonstrating solid International leadership will dramatically improve our ability to solve problems via peaceful means, and give us much more freedom for our military to act with impugnity when it is really necessary to preserve our national security.

-spence

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

Dude, rockets are regularly, randomly shot at Isreal neighborhoods, soliders were kidnapped and held for randsom.......you think Isreal is the aggressor???????? A government has no other duty that to protect its people, thats what they are doing. And no, Im not Jewish, something that I was accused of out here before...

[Skip N]

Isreal should just go to war with the Palestinians and end this crap once and for all. Enough of Hamas and the god damn suicide bombers. Grow some balls Isreal and take them ALL out. Or it will be the same BS for another 50 years. You will never have peace with the blood thirsty murdering palastinians. It just wont happen, they dont want peace, they want dead Isrealies.

And we all know who the biggest threat in the world is today. Its radical Islam. If anyone denies this they are brain dead. You cant reason with these people, they need to be taken out and thats it. Anyone thinks you can have diplomacy with these throat slitters is crazy.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Isreal should just go to war with the Palestinians and end this crap once and for all. Enough of Hamas and the god damn suicide bombers. Grow some balls Isreal and take them ALL out. Or it will be the same BS for another 50 years. You will never have peace with the blood thirsty murdering palastinians. It just wont happen, they dont want peace, they want dead Isrealies.

And we all know who the biggest threat in the world is today. Its radical Islam. If anyone denies this they are brain dead. You cant reason with these people, they need to be taken out and thats it. Anyone thinks you can have diplomacy with these throat slitters is crazy.

Because THAT is sane advice

Sure, Israel (which takes more than it dishes) should just wipe 'em all out. OK, that'll fix things. So when Arab-Israeli War 2006 goes full blown, with more and deadlier weapons systems (N.B.C.) than in previous times, hindsight will show that your advice is being right on top of it oke: .

Israel has every right to defend itself and should but your solution is, uhh, lacking. What SHOULD happen is the disolving of Hezbollah and Hamas or at minimum demilitarizing of those factions, creating a Palestinian state (which Israel has on the table) and having the Arab countries recognize Israel. But 3000 years of conflict might not end so quickly and won't end if Israel kills 'em all and and lets Allah sort 'em out.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Grow some balls Isreal and take them ALL out. Or it will be the same BS for another 50 years.

Oh Isreal has balls...I distinctly remember them, on a couple of occasions, ringing Arrafat's doorbell w/ their tanks and asking him to come out and play....But we (The U.S.) always talked them out of it.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Dude, rockets are regularly, randomly shot at Isreal neighborhoods, soliders were kidnapped and held for randsom.......you think Isreal is the aggressor???????? A government has no other duty that to protect its people, thats what they are doing. And no, Im not Jewish, something that I was accused of out here before...

Seems we hear very little about the aggression against Israel only outrage when they retaliate. Come to think about it, it's kind of like Iraq. A quick blurb about kidnapping/torture/beheading of our soldiers but shrill outrage over panties on the head of a terrorist.

Go Israel.

[spence]

There's no way to justify the seemingly random terror attacks that Isreal has...

That being said, their actions have often been over the top.

An objective person looks to where the power is, and tries to stay objective.

It's all relative.

-spence

[clambelly]

the two sides have been fighting since before the birth of Christ.
however...the UN and the EU almost always lay the blame for these things right in the lap of Isreal. its like being an older brother and having a little brother who is always causing trouble. you smack the kid down when he's doing something wrong and mom and dad tell you that its your fault for hitting him. puhlease...the terrorist groups are enabled by the left and their sympathic view points towards them, and their blantent hatred for Isreal.

in case anyone hasn't noticed, Europe is a pretty anti-semetic place these days.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

About %$%$%$%$ing time Isreal started striking the radical palistinians! The radicals need to be wiped out or nothing over there will ever change. And just so you know, Isreal targets RADICAL LEADERS with thier strikes. Your Palistinian friends prefer to strap bombs to themselve and blow up buses of innocent school children. And you have sympathy for those %$%$%$%$ing animals????

[The Dad Fisherman]

How did this....

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

All of a sudden turn him into a Palestinean Sympathiser

Originally Posted by Skip N

About %$%$%$%$ing time Isreal started striking the radical palistinians! The radicals need to be wiped out or nothing over there will ever change. And just so you know, Isreal targets RADICAL LEADERS with thier strikes. Your Palistinian friends prefer to strap bombs to themselve and blow up buses of innocent school children. And you have sympathy for those %$%$%$%$ing animals????

You have THE Most Skewed Logic I have ever seen in my life.

[Skip N]

Really buddy? have you ever read your posts? Your pretty out there. Read some of your posts once in awhile! And why do i even care about what someone with a picture of Al Bundy as thier Avatar has to say? How can i even take you seriously looking at that!?

[RIJIMMY]

Spence, not sure you responded to the Skitters post, I believe he is reffering to Israels actions the last few days. You seem to seize every opportunity to hop on that soapbox.
For me, good for them. This is not new, they have been dealing with this for 40 years, they talk tough and stand by it.
I dont believe there is a major islamic movement, i thinks its just raidicals with $ and the intent to kill. Technology (internet, pcs, cellphones) and an understanding of the global media have allowed them to gain publicity and some sense of leigitimacy. People have been killing each other for 10,000 years, we just hear it about it more now.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Spence, not sure you responded to the Skitters post, I believe he is reffering to Israels actions the last few days. You seem to seize every opportunity to hop on that soapbox.

Sure I did, if perhaps indirectly...the actions of the West, Isreal, the Palestenian people and neighboring Arab and Persian states are all interrelated.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

"Hezbollah guerrillas killed seven Israeli soldiers and captured two more Wednesday, triggering Israeli airstrikes and military raids inside southern Lebanon, Israeli officials said."

Damn those nasty Jews, looking for trouble again. They should just hide in their cellars and let the Muslims do as they see fit. Somehow this must be Bushs fault......

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

"Hezbollah guerrillas killed seven Israeli soldiers and captured two more Wednesday, triggering Israeli airstrikes and military raids inside southern Lebanon, Israeli officials said."

Damn those nasty Jews, looking for trouble again. They should just hide in their cellars and let the Muslims do as they see fit. Somehow this must be Bushs fault......

Of course, the problems in this world are ALL created by Bush and those damn Jews. Well, that what the left likes to say anyway.

Nah, radical islam and the radical Palistinians arent the problem. Its that damn George Bush and the freakin Jews.

Dont ya love the left!? Wake up you freakin morons and realize who the TRUE enemy is. ITS RADICAL ISLAM

[RIJIMMY]

everyone play nice

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

everyone play nice

Playing nice sucks

[RIJIMMY]

Im going to miss Al

[RIJIMMY]

Take a look at this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...tember_12_2005

notice how the outline says,,,,Isreal Complies, Isreal Withdraws, Isreal agrees...etc. the you have, Isreal responds to missle attacks, Isreal hit with Suidice bombers, etc.....
seems a little off balance,,no?

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Take a look at this....notice how the outline says,,,,Isreal Complies, Isreal Withdraws, Isreal agrees...etc. the you have, Isreal responds to missle attacks, Isreal hit with Suidice bombers, etc.....
seems a little off balance,,no?

Read the history from an Arab perspective and it looks quite different

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

I didnt read it from any persectuve, since Im not jewish nor Arab (actually I am part Lebanese).

I just dont think Isreals actions are unjustified, they have taken extreme measures (gaza pullout) for peace, they then should take extreme measures on the other end, war.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I just dont think Isreals actions are unjustified, they have taken extreme measures (gaza pullout) for peace, they then should take extreme measures on the other end, war.

I think individual actions like the Gaza pull-out need to be looked at in context. Yes, the images of the IDF pulling Jewish settlers out of their homes in Gaza were dramatic...but should they have been there in the first place?

It's not like that was a concession as much as a strategic change in position or policy.

It's a very complicated mix of issues for sure.

-spence

["uffah!!"]

Spence, what ever you do for a living, its the wrong thing. You should be in Washington,DC solving the worlds problems. I have never seen one person be on the wrong side of sooooooo many isues in my life. The only thing I agree with, is the fact that this administration needs a big change. And that change is replace all the Democrats with new ones.

[RIJIMMY]

Hamas
but its all the same.

[RIJIMMY]

lets send Jimmy Carter over there, I bet he can use some of those great diplomacy skills he used to free the US hostages from Iran to free the Israeli hostages......oh wait a minute....

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

lets send Jimmy Carter over there, I bet he can use some of those great diplomacy skills he used to free the US hostages from Iran to free the Israeli hostages......oh wait a minute....

Well, what goes around comes around...those hostages might have never been taken had the US not meddeled so much in the Iranian government

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, what goes around comes around...those hostages might have never been taken had the US not meddeled so much in the Iranian government

-spence

of course, we deserved it! I wonder how many of you could have predicted Spence's response?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

of course, we deserved it! I wonder how many of you could have predicted Spence's response?

I'm waiting for the "Its Bush's fault" response next. Its so predictable.