SB members only / sensative threads - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JohnR · 07-28-2006, 01:00 PM

Should there be a members only forum to move senstive / controversial threads into like say, oh I dunno, the Yo Yo thread? All one needs to be is logged into the site to see? And not something completely shared across the Net?

Canalman · 07-28-2006, 01:13 PM

I think that makes sense...

Canalman · 07-28-2006, 01:14 PM

oh and it's sensItive

Clogston29 · 07-28-2006, 01:17 PM

I think things work pretty well as they are. I can't see people being more willing to share with the group just because everyone who will read something took two minutes to create an account and log in. There is alot of great info on hear, I know I've learned alot, but somethings just are not meant to the given away.

Rockport24 · 07-28-2006, 01:20 PM

I agree a minimum post count should be required. What is my post count now? That should be the new minimum!

Seriously, maybe a minimum of like 50 posts or something??

ThrowingTimber · 07-28-2006, 01:25 PM

If

you do it. Dont do a minimum post count. Do a date joined. Ie member for 2weeks or 6 months or whatever you decide. reason being post count will increase folks joining and posting every 5 minutes just to get the post count up.

OR

if you do set it to run with a post count. I would suggest a topic in the scuppers labeled off topic, that was any posts having to do with nonsense can be posted there..

Back Beach · 07-28-2006, 01:25 PM

Personally, I feel the spot burning and now technique burning thing is insane. If someone really needs/wants to find something out, they can and will with or without the internet. I would keep the forum fairly open. The temporary ruining of fishing spots does happen due to the web, but I can remember days when it was just as bad before the web. As far as techniques go, share the stuff if you want. You're not really hiding anything that someone else doesn't already know. On line you're just sharing it with strangers as opposed to actual acquaintances. The ocean isn't going to get cleaned out because someone talked about rigged eels or pogies or anything else.

eelman · 07-28-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Personally, I feel the spot burning and now technique burning thing is insane. If someone really needs/wants to find something out, they can and will with or without the internet. I would keep the forum fairly open. The temporary ruining of fishing spots does happen due to the web, but I can remember days when it was just as bad before the web. As far as techniques go, share the stuff if you want. You're not really hiding anything that someone else doesn't already know. On line you're just sharing it with strangers as opposed to actual acquaintances. The ocean isn't going to get cleaned out because someone talked about rigged eels or pogies or anything else.

Not saying I dont agree with you, however this is one of those things that is NOT talked about.....

Back Beach · 07-28-2006, 01:34 PM

I agree with you #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. I wouldn't post it here either, along with most everything else I do.That said, nothing I do is really rocket science, but I have been bred to maintain secrecy for the most part w/ fishers I don't know even if its something simple. If someone wants to share it online, then so be it. I won't get bent over it.

eelman · 07-28-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

I agree with you #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. I wouldn't post it here either, along with most everything else I do.That said, nothing I do is really rocket science, but I have been bred to maintain secrecy for the most part w/ fishers I don't know even if its something simple. If someone wants to share it online, then so be it. I won't get bent over it.

Letting certain things out is one thing, but this has nothing to do with that, this a something a small % of guys have honed over the years and earned the right to not have it talked about, they are comms. who never brag, never show pics, dont post here etc... they do it for the money and thats it, they have a techniqe that should stay with them, cause they never asked for it to be out in the first place....I cant explain any better than to say its a respect thing...I know some of those guys well, they are great people and I would not want to burn them.

RIJIMMY · 07-28-2006, 01:36 PM

it doesnt matter to me, but it raises the question of what is "sensitive"? Who decides it? You just dont want to over-engineer things so that you try to make everyone happy. it will never happen

eelman · 07-28-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

it doesnt matter to me, but it raises the question of what is "sensitive"? Who decides it? You just dont want to over-engineer things so that you try to make everyone happy. it will never happen

I think those guys decided it by never talking about it. Your right you will never make everyone happy, Its just my opinion and nothing more, I cant stop the next guy from talking about whatever they want....this is just something I would not talk about...

For me some of them would never talk to me agin if I betrayed there trust with certain things, I am not about to lose friendships over it. To most here it may well be "no big deal" but to those guys who make a living on the water it is a big deal.

Mike P · 07-28-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

it doesnt matter to me, but it raises the question of what is "sensitive"? Who decides it? You just dont want to over-engineer things so that you try to make everyone happy. it will never happen

I agree. IMO nothing's broken, nothing needs to be fixed. People who lurk will join just to see it, and if you impose a minimum number of posts to see it, all that will do is generate a bunch of "me too" posts. Some guy will just post one or two word replies, like "throw eels" or "Atom 40" or stuff like that, without really contributing much.

Any subject is likely to ruffle some feathers. No matter how hard you try, you will never please everyone. Someone will always have an issue with any subject.

Besides, there's no instant magic bullet--whether it's yo-yoing or anything else. There's always a learning curve involved.

partsjay · 07-28-2006, 02:04 PM

OK....you have changed my mind.....I don't like it either...Mike P & Slip....points well taken.

If it's not broke...don't fix it.....Guys will either talk about it or not...doesn't matter what forum it's in.

Saltheart · 07-28-2006, 01:41 PM

"Where to" leads to problems with access. "How to" does no harm.

How to makes up the biggest part of the site. How to make plugs , how to fish , how to cook fish , how to make rods , how to rig sluggos ,how to tie on a leader , how to use a skin jig , how to get the best seats at Hooters. How to is essential to the basic site. It should be unrestricted.

No more special forums.

partsjay · 07-28-2006, 01:48 PM

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"Where to" leads to problems with access. "How to" does no harm.

How to makes up the biggest part of the site. How to make plugs , how to fish , how to cook fish , how to make rods , how to rig sluggos ,how to tie on a leader , how to use a skin jig , how to get the best seats at Hooters. How to is essential to the basic site.

Well Said!!

Like I said in another post....it won't be long before posts look like this: caught a fish on a hook in the ocean....just so you don't get bashed....because I'm sure nobody has ever been taught anything by an experienced angler...it's all by doing your homework right?

Bigcat · 07-28-2006, 01:44 PM

Why not must be hundreds of people lurking every week not registerd, and never contributing,just looking for intel

Saltheart · 07-28-2006, 02:03 PM

YoYo 'ing sacred? What about 3 waying? What about eel skins? What about helicopter herring? What about rigging eels? What about loading plugs? What about eel bobs? What about balooning? What about 6 short strokes and 3 long strokes ..oops different subject

Anyway , what is so different about this "how to" and any other technique out there??

Slipknot · 07-28-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saltheart

Anyway , what is so different about this "how to" and any other technique out there??

it makes alot of live bass into dead bass

Slipknot · 07-28-2006, 02:06 PM

I'm off to kill some seals
see ya

fishaholic18 · 07-28-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

Should there be a members only forum to move senstive / controversial threads into like say, oh I dunno, the Yo Yo thread? All one needs to be is logged into the site to see? And not something completely shared across the Net?

But what's that gonna solve, let 'em fly, take no prisoners. Let the fun begin..I'll warm up the butter, I need some fun in my life..

Oh, and 4 minute abs does work, I can have a six pack in 4 minutes, packy is right down the street..

Slingah · 07-28-2006, 05:28 PM

Let it Be

chrisL = MVP

or just lock the doors and make this the " ledge II "

Joe · 07-28-2006, 06:01 PM

Bad idea.
I would not worry about an advanced and cryptic technique impacting the overall health of the fishery - most people can't even run a regular yo-yo.....

wheresmy50 · 07-28-2006, 06:19 PM

I don't post very much here and haven't been a member very long, so I'd venture to guess that many people don't care what I think.

The whole point of internet message boards is the free exchange of ideas. Considering the number of other internet fishing message boards and magazines, I don't think that contributions from any one do much to reduce the quality of fishing. It's not like keeping it off this site is going to prevent the issue, spot, technique from being discussed.

The more people there are who do well fishing, the more people stay in the sport. This only helps to give us numbers against the PETA nuts who want no one fishing. The last thing we want for the preservation of the fishery is reduced participation. The more participants, the more people who pay taxes, contribute to the economy, write letters when things get taken away - in other words, helping others helps the fishery.

A closed group of fishermen who work together and keep information within the group is a fishing club. If that's what you want, fine, but it's not what you have right now. Among other differences between a club site and this is the number of people who will be viewing the sponsor's ads & information. I don't know the economics of how SB.com operates, but that may be a factor.

I guess what I'm saying is that when you consider all of the books, magazines, web sites, personal conversations, tips from the B&T, etc, etc, etc, the things said here aren't even a drop in the bucket. I realize there are good fishermen here, but if you think that the viability of the species or a spot rests on the amount of information you post here, you have a pretty elevated opinion of your importance to the fishery.

I really don't think that because someone here says he killed them in Skeeter Cove, the place is going to be overrun and wiped clean of bass. Ditto for bait rigging techniques. How effective are rigged eels? Now how many people spend the time to rig them? Almost none if you consider the total number of striper fishermen. I mean, people pay extra for rubber so they don't have to spend 3 minutes to rig them.

I think the same is probably true for that bunker rigging method.
Some guy will make a few, stink up the kitchen, get yelled at, and for the rest of the season he'll go back to what worked before.

Just my opinion - no offense mean to anyone.

Redsoxticket · 07-28-2006, 06:36 PM

The proposed idea presented by the grand buba is a step in the right direction. It will have no effect on the present S-Bers and give the lurkers an opportunity to share the information that this site offers. These new members as well as the present members can now be identified and bounced temporarily from the site if there actions don't adhere to the paridigm of this site.
Instead of the whole net having access to sensitive info then why not share it with those take the time to join.

Then again you can have all the sensitive info privatized to s-b members but the enemy most probably lies within.

BigFish · 07-28-2006, 06:43 PM

I vote no! First you will have all kinds of "Yo-Yo's" logging on just to see that stuff and then, as others have said already, it will get out anyway! Just my .02 cents....and if you do do it....minimum post count should be 10,000.....that should take care of any problems!

striprman · 07-28-2006, 06:53 PM

What was the original reason that sb.com was started ?
To be a "members only" club, or to help all persons interested in bass fishing ?

tattoobob · 07-28-2006, 06:56 PM

No If you don't want to let anyone know don't post it you can share via pm's
I don't see how it could work anyways unless it is password protected.

Skitterpop · 07-29-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

Should there be a members only forum to move senstive / controversial threads into like say, oh I dunno, the Yo Yo thread? All one needs to be is logged into the site to see? And not something completely shared across the Net?

One can register at any number of sites and never or hardly ever post but be a member with access to this proposed forum.... Am I missing something here? Example.... you see a post for someone who signed on in 2002 and its there 11th post.

Swimmer · 07-29-2006, 04:52 PM

never have I been ever called a technique burner. And I think its ridiculous to think there is only "one man" here that knows how to do it right. Wow, I dont know what to say. I think when someone makes an inquiry asking an honest question they deserve an "honest" answer. With the exception of where the "technique" was used. Golly I don't know what to say I feel dirty and used!