British Muslims Angry

[Skitterpop]

That they are being seen as potential terrorists .........

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Is this racial profiling? Remember the Unabomber? Or many other caucasian terrorists and bombers.


How do you see this situation?

[spence]

I'm amazed to be honest at how many people I talk to who feel we should be targeting young Muslims specifically regardless of their behavior or nationality.

It's justified as common sense (looking at the numbers) but deeper down it's simply fear of a people or subtle (or not so) bigotry.

History has a terrible track record in this regard...it's the basis for genocide.

If I was a 25 year old American Muslim today I would be guilty until proven innocent in many Americans eyes. This is a very sad situation.

Remember the Sikh who was killed shortly after 9/11 by some dumb%$%$%$%$? It's exactly this kind of ignorant fear that will make the problem worse.

I'm sure people will argue, but...but...but...

Hey, I'm aware of the reality...which is why I'm a believer in the power of profiling when used properly including firm oversight.

-spence

[likwid]

Originally Posted by spence

Remember the Sikh who was killed shortly after 9/11 by some dumb%$%$%$%$? It's exactly this kind of ignorant fear that will make the problem worse.

Or the Indias who's shops were trashed by the common inbred 'git r dun' retards in this country.

People are so g'd stupid.

ps: I send plugs to muslims in Malaysia. (Jihari caught two kingfish on a seagar the other day )
Wonder if thats been getting me on the watch list too.

[Backbeach Jake]

If the so-called "offended or outraged "Muslims would take a more active role in fighting terrorism instead of secretely supporting them, morally or financially, then we non-Muslims wouldn't have to rely so heavily on "profiling". The way I see this situation: A group of people have declared war on civilization as it is known today. That group is or uses Islam as their identity. In order to investigate suspected future terror attacks are we to start questioning Lutherans? Buddists? No. It has nothing to do with Political Correctness ( which I see as a disease of the human guilt, but that is another arguement), it has to do with the effective fight against terror. Try to keep in mind that political correctness and consideration are two different things. Politics blows,in the wind.

[Flaptail]

Again, Religion screws up the world. Sad but true. If there is a God in heaven I hope he is ashamed of what is transpiring. I am.

Imagine there's no religion, Lennon was more correct than he could ever hope to imagine.

I have no use for churches, religion has been corrupted over the melinium. I ask that we only get along, accept each other for what we are, respect each other and care for one another whenever it is needed. I don't need a mostly fictional book to give me direction or guide my life.

Religion, the scourge of the world and it's many peoples.

[Skip N]

Where's all th outrage around the world from all the so called "good muslims"? I see zero outrage and rarely do i see anyone protest from the good muslims, condeming the high jack of thier religion. What am i a supposed to think when i see no outrage? Maybe if the good ones would join together in mass and condem the terror attacks, myself, and many others would feel alot different.

And the few muslims who do have the balls to speak out and condem terror, recieve constant death threats from the radicals.

Sadly i think the good Muslims are living in total fear and are afraid to speak out, because they know what will happen to them. But by doing so, they run the risk of us wondering what the hell they are actually thinking. How could we not have these thought if they never say a damn word against radical islam!? They are always silent.

Islam, the religion of peace!

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Again, Religion screws up the world. Sad but true. If there is a God in heaven I hope he is ashamed of what is transpiring. I am.

Imagine there's no religion, Lennon was more correct than he could ever hope to imagine.

I have no use for churches, religion has been corrupted over the melinium. I ask that we only get along, accept each other for what we are, respect each other and care for one another whenever it is needed. I don't need a mostly fictional book to give me direction or guide my life.

Religion, the scourge of the world and it's many peoples.

Could not have said it better myself.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

If the so-called "offended or outraged "Muslims would take a more active role in fighting terrorism instead of secretely supporting them, morally or financially, then we non-Muslims wouldn't have to rely so heavily on "profiling". The way I see this situation: A group of people have declared war on civilization as it is known today. That group is or uses Islam as their identity. In order to investigate suspected future terror attacks are we to start questioning Lutherans? Buddists? No. It has nothing to do with Political Correctness ( which I see as a disease of the human guilt, but that is another arguement), it has to do with the effective fight against terror. Try to keep in mind that political correctness and consideration are two different things. Politics blows,in the wind.

Nope can't profile, only white guys in thier 70's should be pofiled. Judging by some the posts on here, thats what people want to do i guess.

We know who fits the profile of the modern terroist, so why are we acting all stupid and not using common sense? Do we want to get our jets blown out of the sky again? if we dont use some kind of profiling and resort to searching old white ladies, we are playing with fire my friends.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

If the so-called "offended or outraged "Muslims would take a more active role in fighting terrorism instead of secretely supporting them, morally or financially, then we non-Muslims wouldn't have to rely so heavily on "profiling". The way I see this situation: A group of people have declared war on civilization as it is known today. That group is or uses Islam as their identity. In order to investigate suspected future terror attacks are we to start questioning Lutherans? Buddists? No. It has nothing to do with Political Correctness ( which I see as a disease of the human guilt, but that is another arguement), it has to do with the effective fight against terror. Try to keep in mind that political correctness and consideration are two different things. Politics blows,in the wind.

BULLS EYE, ya nailed it Fred.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

A group of people have declared war on civilization as it is known today.

This line of thinking just isn't supported by history.

What we're dealing with is not a clash of civilizations, but a clash within Islam itsself, and the Western world has had a strong hand shaping the environment where violent "political" Islam has risen.

Our leaders keep telling us this is "good" versus "evil" so we don't question their policy which is blatantly ignoring history.

Our Shiite does indeed stink a wee bit

In a round about way this is exactly what corrupt Islamic leaders do to their people to keep them distracted...blame Israel, blame America etc...except in our case it's blame Islam, blame Iran blah, blah, blah...

Now a "good" muslim is a "non-fascist" muslim? Are you kidding me, is a young muslim man guilty until proven innocent simply because of who he is?

With the way some of you are thinking I'm starting to believe I'll see Muslims rounded up like the Japanese back in WW2. Becareful with some of these thoughts because they're looking a lot like bigotry.

Perhaps it's just frustration that the Administration really isn't doing much to address these issues...

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

If the so-called "offended or outraged "Muslims would take a more active role in fighting terrorism instead of secretely supporting them, morally or financially, then we non-Muslims wouldn't have to rely so heavily on "profiling".

Regarding this specifically...

I've seen plenty of Muslim outrage since 9/11. Additionally many of the tips that have led to terror arrests have come from within the Islamic community...but it's also clear that the Islamic communities do not hold much power in the Western world.

Countries like Jordan and Pakistan have provided tremendous help, but walk a tightrope between aiding the US and facing a revolt of their own people.

The simple fact is that Muslims have a similar bond in many ways as does the Jewish community, and acts of oppression or aggression against a minority community is seen as an act against the entire group.

While certainly those who commit violence are responsible for their actions, it's also pretty clear that Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya etc... actually do have a pretty good beef against their oppressors.

This is precisely what's being expolited by alQaeda for political gain.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

That they are being seen as potential terrorists .........

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Is this racial profiling? Remember the Unabomber? Or many other caucasian terrorists and bombers.


How do you see this situation?

So who's the greatest threat to the world right now? Thousands upon thousands of radical Islamic terroists who's goal is to wipe us all off the map. Or a lone white guys like the unibomber? or some random nut who might bomb an abortion clinic? please tell me you're not trying to compare the two?

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

So who's the greatest threat to the world right now? Thousands upon thousands of radical Islamic terroists who's goal is to wipe us all off the map. Or a lone white guys like the unibomber? or some random nut who might bomb an abortion clinic? please tell me you're not trying to compare the two?

Hey Skip.....there you are! I missed your irrational thought process

Read my brief post slowly and get back to me ok.

[Skitterpop]

With the way some of you are thinking I'm starting to believe I'll see Muslims rounded up like the Japanese back in WW2.
-spence


We have been there and done that already.

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On a daily basis how many young muslims are being taught about the enemy and how it is their holy duty to destroy them every chance they get.... along with their religious studies, recess and snack time.

I don`t know.... but I`m guessing its well over a million world wide.

I liked Backbeach Jakes post.... no matter how you shake it its a tough row to hoe.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

On a daily basis how many young muslims are being taught about the enemy and how it is their holy duty to destroy them every chance they get.... along with their religious studies, recess and snack time.

It's a good question, but a guess doesn't really help us much now does it?

I do think you're striking a big thread of misunderstanding about Islam, the concept of Jihad and it's violent incarnations throughout history.

This isn't to say that there isn't a lot of hate and blame taught, but then again we do have Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell

As I've been saying, the problem we're facing isn't rooted in Islam proper, but a political expression of Islam that's evolved in our world...not born from the Koran.

Kids in madrassas (sp?) aren't taught hate because the Koran says to...it's because their political leadership wants to control them.

-spence

[spence]

Or think of it this way...

Do you think a Palestenian straps bombs to themselves and walks into a crowded cafe because of:

A) Devotion to the Koran

or

B) Rage, humiliation and despair

-spence

[Swimmer]

I agree w/SkipN, no question about. Even the so-called non facist (good) muslims condemn thier bretheren openly and behind closed doors I'll not look upon all muslims with a modicum of suspicion.