Plug Forum - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JohnR · 08-30-2007, 08:41 AM

I am looking at new things to do to the site and I want to ask you residentia of PLug Building Kingdom what suggestions you may have or things you want from the forum. This is not from a commercial or selling sense, purely from a forum sense. I have some time that I can spend and I want to tweak the site up a level so I'm curious what YOU would like to see

Thankyouallforcomin'

eastendlu · 08-30-2007, 10:45 AM

How about increasing the amount of pics per post you can put up?I think its set to only two at the moment.

Slipknot · 08-30-2007, 11:02 AM

I'd like to see the forum more appealing to new plug builders. I'd like them not to be intimidated and feel welcome. Many first time plug makers found this site and did very well on their own doing searches and finding most of their answers on their own, but when they do have questions, it would be nice that they can feel comfortable asking. There are many how to's on here which is great. There also is a trend for some to go from novice to pro in a short time, I find that to be a bit

laughable as it is tough to produce a proven plug in a short amount of time, they should be tested,tweaked and catch fish for atleast a full season before being sold IMO. Nothing wrong with selling a plug or 6 here and there to offset some costs, ya can't get rich doing this but it's the serious builders that sell large amounts that should post their wares in the sponsors forums, that is what they are for. sorry I wandered off subject.

Lu has a good point

JohnR · 08-30-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eastendlu

How about increasing the amount of pics per post you can put up?I think its set to only two at the moment.

Working on that

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

I'd like to see the forum more appealing to new plug builders. I'd like them not to be intimidated and feel welcome. Many first time plug makers found this site and did very well on their own doing searches and finding most of their answers on their own, but when they do have questions, it would be nice that they can feel comfortable asking. There are many how to's on here which is great. There also is a trend for some to go from novice to pro in a short time, I find that to be a bit

laughable as it is tough to produce a proven plug in a short amount of time, they should be tested,tweaked and catch fish for atleast a full season before being sold IMO. Nothing wrong with selling a plug or 6 here and there to offset some costs, ya can't get rich doing this but it's the serious builders that sell large amounts that should post their wares in the sponsors forums, that is what they are for. sorry I wandered off subject.

Lu has a good point

Wholeheartedly agree

Flaptail · 08-30-2007, 12:52 PM

Less commercial builder spam, they have the sponsors section, stay there. No offense but I always thought that the plug building thread as a place to learn and share both knowledge and pics of what one has accomplished by visiting and joining in by just guys/girls doing it for the enjoyment not profit. There is nothing wrong with profiting but the sponsors area is made for that. No spam thank you mam.

I would also like to see an archive page that you could go to not only for the written (typed) word but members pics of pluggage specifically. That would be nice. You know all pics by Numbskull or tagger or Chumbucket in one place in a collection, no words just pics.

capesams · 08-30-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

I would also like to see an archive page that you could go to not only for the written (typed) word but members pics of pluggage specifically. That would be nice. You know all pics by Numbskull or tagger or Chumbucket in one place in a collection, no words just pics.

that wood be pretty to see, but on the flip side it would also give the up and coming comm. builder a fine place to see styles ,colors,types, sizes of plugs..OH! I like that one , maybe I'll add it to my new line.As well as getting pm's wanting to buy them ,,,

numbskull · 08-30-2007, 01:26 PM

I don't think we need to drive off the commerical guys. These guys add a lot of quality and experience to the site. Their input has helped me a lot and I enjoy seeing what they are working on. Guys like Scott, Mac, Bernzy, Don, and Ryan obviously love plugs. If you love plugs and are willing to help others, you should feel welcome here.

JohnR · 08-30-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Less commercial builder spam, they have the sponsors section, stay there. No offense but I always thought that the plug building thread as a place to learn and share both knowledge and pics of what one has accomplished by visiting and joining in by just guys/girls doing it for the enjoyment not profit. There is nothing wrong with profiting but the sponsors area is made for that. No spam thank you mam.

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Originally Posted by numbskull

I don't think we need to drive off the commerical guys. These guys add a lot of quality and experience to the site. Their input has helped me a lot and I enjoy seeing what they are working on. Guys like Scott, Mac, Bernzy, Don, and Ryan obviously love plugs. If you love plugs and are willing to help others, you should feel welcome here.

And in between these two is the balance that we want to find regarding "commercial" builders

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

I would also like to see an archive page that you could go to not only for the written (typed) word but members pics of pluggage specifically. That would be nice. You know all pics by Numbskull or tagger or Chumbucket in one place in a collection, no words just pics.

Working on that

- but you guys would need to collect your photos in one place

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Originally Posted by sportyguy33

It wouild be nice if when some one goes to a Learning forum such as the Lure Forum to learn and share ideas. Other members Should'nt be allowed to make false statements accusing them of things that aren't true.

Sportyguy - I don't know you and I'm not sure how on the level you are. What I do know is that there is a swarm of, well, uncertainty around your status here, and some of that is based on your, uhh, history on the "other" site. What I don't want to see is you using these boards to spam for personal gain. What I think some of the member builders that have been here for a while may feel is that you are trying to shortcut much of the builders learning curve. You haven't been building plugs that long, right?

Someone want to PM me the Sportsters link?

Thanks....

Slipknot · 08-30-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sportyguy33

It wouild be nice if when some one goes to a Learning forum such as the Lure Forum to learn and share ideas. Other members Should'nt be allowed to make false statements accusing them of things that aren't true.

well if the shoe fits .... ..

ok boys and girls, from now on everyone please speak the truth

The Dad Fisherman · 08-31-2007, 04:05 PM

I've never found this to be a "Good Ole Boy" atmosphere in here....everytime I've asked a question I got help.....and it always appreciated

Charleston · 09-01-2007, 08:17 AM

When this all started we were just a bunch of names on a computer screen.Then we started to do the Fest and Bash etc.
Now we are all friends enjoying one hell of a great hobby. Let's keep it that way.

JohnR · 09-01-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tagger

My plug ,, my finger ..Great surgeon ... Thanks Mac .. Yes there was a 32" fish spinning to beat the band on that plug .. Skin plugs are slippery .. Slow night .... 4 guys fishing ,, 2 fish ,,, both on the skin plug ... they work ,, Just gotta fiqure a way to put a handle on it . didn't and doesn't hurt .. just suc it up and keep fishing .. Makes me think of getting my nose pierced .

Use a lip grip or Boga - and now, a Tetanus Booster

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Originally Posted by Charleston

When this all started we were just a bunch of names on a computer screen.Then we started to do the Fest and Bash etc.
Now we are all friends enjoying one hell of a great hobby. Let's keep it that way.

Agree... Let's enjoy it. Less agenda and drama, more enjoyment, fishing, building, and friendships...

justplugit · 09-01-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

Let's enjoy it. Less agenda and drama, more enjoyment, fishing, building, and friendships...

Ya, i agree, sorreee, prolly taking my frustrations out and seeing a little more red than usual lately.

ProfessorM · 09-10-2007, 12:41 PM

Ouch Ed that looks painful. Remind's me of work as we usually have one or so of those bleeders every few weeks, not hooks though. At least you weren't alone.

ProfessorM · 09-10-2007, 04:14 PM

My 2 cents for what it is worth. I am for being able to sell up to 20 plugs via PM's to recoup material cost's. Not soliciting them thru PM's but if someone actually would be interested in something you make and asks you if they can buy one i see nothing wrong with that. A lot of times some guys who don't build plugs would like one. 20 would be my cut off total though. I realize that is not what the forum is about, selling plugs, but it would help guys doing it as it is not getting any cheaper. All the other ideas are great and would add to the site. I especially think helping out the beginners is the most important thing the forum should do and secondly it should be fun.

Woodbuster · 09-10-2007, 07:34 PM

1 - I crimp all my barbs mostly because they rip up the fish pretty good. Not having to go to the clinic or performing self-surgery is a very helpful side benifit. (1 occurence for me so far this year)

2- I like swaps. I'm not really understanding how they could hurt the forum but I'm open to hearing other opinions.

Maybe it would be good to have an ongoing trade thread were someone could post pics of some plugs that they made to trade with other builders. (Maybe that would just open another can of worms however

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JohnR · 09-12-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorM

My 2 cents for what it is worth. I am for being able to sell up to 20 plugs via PM's to recoup material cost's. Not soliciting them thru PM's but if someone actually would be interested in something you make and asks you if they can buy one i see nothing wrong with that. A lot of times some guys who don't build plugs would like one. 20 would be my cut off total though. I realize that is not what the forum is about, selling plugs, but it would help guys doing it as it is not getting any cheaper. All the other ideas are great and would add to the site. I especially think helping out the beginners is the most important thing the forum should do and secondly it should be fun.

The big thing is how to do it legally - that's what I was looking into a little while back (haven't given up just lots of things going on at the moment). I do have something in the works for that provided I can dot the Ts and Cross the

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Originally Posted by Woodbuster

1 - I crimp all my barbs mostly because they rip up the fish pretty good. Not having to go to the clinic or performing self-surgery is a very helpful side benifit. (1 occurence for me so far this year)

2- I like swaps. I'm not really understanding how they could hurt the forum but I'm open to hearing other opinions.

Maybe it would be good to have an ongoing trade thread were someone could post pics of some plugs that they made to trade with other builders. (Maybe that would just open another can of worms however

)

Trading happens now a bit and between PlugFest, Pluggers Bash, and the shows - is their more ways to skin that cat? maybe...

ProfessorM · 09-12-2007, 02:17 PM

John I now we talked about that and it was probably not the right time to mention it after I thought about it. Like I said before the most important thing is helping out each other and beginners either with pictures or advise. I think you do a great job with it at this point and the other ideas are all good and will only add to the fun. It is sometimes hard to improve on something that is already top notch. P.

ThrowingTimber · 08-30-2007, 03:19 PM

gawd pls can we just punt him??

Slipknot · 08-31-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl F

(by the way, I like having this forum on the menu, near the G.O.P. now

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4.) Sorry Slip, I gotta disagree, but no bootlegging here either, the selling of 6, 12, 24, or a couple hundred a year, without paying excise tax, or any revenue, should not be encouraged. Does it go on? Of Course!.. But, let’s not encourage it, or let it happen in this forum. I am currently reading some interesting facts.. I will probably post a thread on this topic late fall early winter, when we need a Hot Stove Topic

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I didn't imply that bootleggers not pay taxes Karl and I don't think we'd encourage it. I don't know how you got that conclusion from what I said. That's fine, no selling, keep it as a hobby for making plugs for ourselves to fish. I pay all my taxes, I keep track of all my reciepts, if someone wants to sell a plug or 12, it's up to them to pay the excise tax etc. If there is selling going on, as far as I know it's just reselling as far as this site and the classifieds go.

I'll be looking to see what you will post.

Habs

I know you like it as a hobby also and like to tinker, that's good. Us amatures appreciate the helpful tips and hints from the pros now and then, we don't want to exclude any of those type contributions.

ThrowingTimber · 08-31-2007, 10:00 AM

Habs, Lab1, afterhours, salty, bigfish, mac, bernzy, CS theres absolutely nothing wrong with these guys posts. They all contribute to the forum, and help out with the site overall.

My issue is with random guys who come on with veiled attempts to sell their stuff, under the 'guise of wanting to learn. Again the guys I mentioned and Im sure I missed some, nothing against commercial guys AT ALL.

Its cool I love to see the stuff you guys do like hab said he likes to tinker, hell man thats awesome after all how many black and purple needles can you paint before you say to yourself damn, I'd like to make something else. Again, that type of stuff I love! Its great and I'm greatful of you guys sharing that here, with us.

My issue is with the random guy, who does not contribute to anything. Not a sponsor. Never gives to the site/ forum and does nothing but take take take. Then becomes a "company" or business, I dont know maybe I'm painting a picture with too broad a brush, but I hope you guys get what Im trying to say.

Send me plugs, there are peanuts around and I dont have any small ones. That will be all.

JohnR · 08-31-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl F

well john, first off its pronounced Favor, as in Do Me One

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I know that

It was a long shot reference to how Ben Stiller says Brett Farve's name in "Something About Mary", it was a tremendous longshot of a joke so I wasn't sure if people would pick up on it - thouigh I think you and I talked about that before

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Opinions.. everybody got 'em.. just espressin mine..not that it counts for nuttin'..

not that i'd ever win.. I know better.. and I'll say it.. 'cause I know thats what some of yas are thinkin

I do see the potential for it to become a popularity contest.. and encourage the ego to take the next step.. sellin by PM.. and the like...

yer the boss John.. as ya see fit there Capn'

See Ya!

I highly value your opinion - honest. And taking in some of your opinion, opinion of others here, and my thinking, mix it up, and we might find a way to make it work and be good for the builders board. Lot's of places that make things, from boats to software to tackle - have a "Blank" of the Month. If we could find a proper way to do it here, it's worth looking into. If it sucks, we won't do it...

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Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

Habs, Lab1, afterhours, salty, bigfish, mac, bernzy, CS theres absolutely nothing wrong with these guys posts. They all contribute to the forum, and help out with the site overall.

My issue is with random guys who come on with veiled attempts to sell their stuff, under the 'guise of wanting to learn. Again the guys I mentioned and Im sure I missed some, nothing against commercial guys AT ALL.

Its cool I love to see the stuff you guys do like hab said he likes to tinker, hell man thats awesome after all how many black and purple needles can you paint before you say to yourself damn, I'd like to make something else. Again, that type of stuff I love! Its great and I'm greatful of you guys sharing that here, with us.

My issue is with the random guy, who does not contribute to anything. Not a sponsor. Never gives to the site/ forum and does nothing but take take take. Then becomes a "company" or business, I dont know maybe I'm painting a picture with too broad a brush, but I hope you guys get what Im trying to say.

Send me plugs, there are peanuts around and I dont have any small ones. That will be all.

We get more spam than is fun on the boards for certain. Some guys will always try to take advantage of others as well. Unfortunate but true. So we will try to be accurate when that happens.

What's the best way to figure it out?

ThrowingTimber · 08-31-2007, 11:19 AM

We're going to need an easy button

smitty919 · 08-31-2007, 02:54 PM

forget this way to much drama in this place

smitty919 · 08-31-2007, 04:37 PM

what is going on this tread was a question about plugs and what not .
and you guys turning it around in to a fight

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to tell ya the truth i find it silly if you dont like some one dont read his post.
move on to the topic at hand.

Slipknot · 08-31-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sportyguy33

So what if a guy who sells lures that don't compete against any of the sponsors wants to be a part of the Lure Forum. Are they not allowed to ask question or share pictures of the lure they make that they DON"T intend to sell but trade or swap? For example the needle fish I made and the thread got yanked. That lure was never intended to be sold to anyone It was mae for a Swap. Why shouldn't I be allowed to be apart of this learning forum if I'm not selling plugs to it's members? Is it only for a Select few builders who decides who gets to post?

just use common sense
that's the simple answer

capesams · 08-31-2007, 11:37 AM

[QUOTE=ThrowingTimber;521195]Habs, Lab1, afterhours, salty, bigfish, mac, bernzy, CS theres absolutely nothing wrong with these guys posts. They all contribute to the forum, and help out with the site overall.

Ahhh! Errr!Hummm! how come I feel like I was just branded a comm. maker of fish foolers.

free plugs..shpin an hldin 19.95 @

ThrowingTimber · 08-31-2007, 11:46 AM

Nothing like that CS didnt just list commerical guys I hope I didnt give you that impression. Sorry if I did. Just listing quality builders who all contribute to the site and help out etc, field questions. And occasionally just blow folks minds with the stuff theyre making.

Tagger · 08-31-2007, 02:30 PM

Start another post to air this stuff out ,, Spamming ,, being up front with every one ..lieing ,,, cheating ,, using your freinds ..doing your time... being contributing member ,, feeling cheap and dirty.. being a user .,,oneway street .. me me me .. Your hard work ,my icecream ..

Now back to "Plug of the Month"---"Plug of the Year" it should be self supporting .. Maybe auction off monthly winners to reward yearly winner.. To enter monthly you must be willing to part with your plug .. On these polls you can only vote once .. Plug of the year may also be displayed on the front page with bio on builder .. Whole goal is to get people posting pics again .. Other issues may also be a factor in that ..

capesams · 08-31-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

Nothing like that CS didnt just list commerical guys I hope I didnt give you that impression. Sorry if I did. Just listing quality builders who all contribute to the site and help out etc, field questions. And occasionally just blow folks minds with the stuff theyre making.

Just havin abit-o-fun with ya....2007 been a year from he-llo.Pay no nevermind to me.

You all carry on and don't let plug buildin get all ya undies in a bunch..it's just suppose to be something fun to do.