Are the Patriots the best team ever

[wrikerjr]

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10592795

Good discussion.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I was enjoying the Article until it started with the whole Belichek cheating thing.....that was just an assenine argument

You can't match a team up from 30 or 40 years ago and say they would beat the Pats now. Just the fact that everbody now is Bigger, Faster, and Conditioning and Training is at a higher Level than ever before.

All those teams mentioned were Great in their Day, no Doubts. I was actually a Big fan of the Steelers growing up, but there's no way to say who would beat who. As great as the Steel Curtain defense was, how many 300lb+ Linemen did they come up against?


Greatest team in the 60's - Packers
Greatest team in the 70's - Steelers
Greatest team in the 80's - 49'ers
Greatest team in the 90's - Cowboys
Greatest team in the 00's - Patriots

[BigFish]

Yes.

Alright....lets move on to the next topic since we are all pretty much agreed here!

[wrikerjr]

plus the rules change over the decades, not sure the steelers would not set nfl penalty records in this decade.

I think this will be the last week you hear about the cheating accusations, except for the draft and when BB is up for the hall.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I was enjoying the Article until it started with the whole Belichek cheating thing.....that was just an assenine argument

You can't match a team up from 30 or 40 years ago and say they would beat the Pats now. Just the fact that everbody now is Bigger, Faster, and Conditioning and Training is at a higher Level than ever before.

All those teams mentioned were Great in their Day, no Doubts. I was actually a Big fan of the Steelers growing up, but there's no way to say who would beat who. As great as the Steel Curtain defense was, how many 300lb+ Linemen did they come up against?


Greatest team in the 60's - Packers
Greatest team in the 70's - Steelers
Greatest team in the 80's - 49'ers
Greatest team in the 90's - Cowboys
Greatest team in the 00's - Patriots

EXCELLENT, The Dad!

While i do agree that the best way to recognize GREATNESS in the NFL
is within each dynasty, and by their respective decades, doesn't 4 Lombardi's AND 19-0:
A.) place them in the rarified air of Bradshaw's Steelers, and Montana's Niners?
B.) excepting that neither one of those teams EVER went undefeated, as we all know.

Bradshaw repeated 2 times, and holds 2 SB MVP's.
Montana repeated 1 time, and holds 3 SB MVP's.

Trying to remain objective here, not greedy, in my view if Brady wins this one of '08 he will be equal to the Greatness of #16 and #12; with one major proviso, commanding the single best season this game has ever seen accredited to his brilliant stats!!! This would give him the slight edge, not accounting for who gets this year's MVP (Moss, Stallworth, Maroney, etc). If he does add a 3rd SB MVP to his accomplishments that would also factor in.

The future holds promises of Greatness, as well. If this pace continues (ie., 1 or 2 more SB wins, another repeat, some more MVP's) from the top of THE franchise to the bottom, then we are in store for a TRULY prolific ride into a Level of Supremacy that only the Yanks, the Habs, and the Celts can identify with.

Ahhhhhh yes, how sweeeeet the smell of victory and how calloused the hands of humility; without which,
True Champions cannot bear their cherished responsibility, nor divine their elusive glory.

[Saltheart]

They got to win one more game then the answere is a big YES.

[Backbeach Jake]

Yes. Bigger stronger faster smarter. More willing to sacrifice for the good of the team. Precious little showboating, staying focused. A team like this has never existed in the NFL before.

[Raven]

yeah Baby,,,,

[Raider Ronnie]

If they win the super bowl in 2 weeks, greatest season ever.
Greatest team ever, NO WAY !
The defense doesn't ever come close to comparing to the Steelers of the 70s or the 85 Bears.
Anyone who thinks that this offense would be the same if it played in the 1960s & 70s with the rules from then is smoking something

[Mike P]

They will be a yardstick, like all the great teams, in the future. "How would this team do against the 07 Patriots?"

Different rules, different coaching philosophies, in different eras make comparisons difficult. Everyone talks about the 85 Bears. They were a great defense, but would anyone in their right minds pick Jim McMahon over Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms? Who were the Bears' wideouts? Who was their tight end? Who played beside Payton in the backfield. Other than Sweetness, it was a forgetable offense. McMahon wa sknow more for his antics than his passing.

IMO the 86 Giants and the 49er teams of Montana were more balanced. Defenses almost the equal of the Bears, and much more better offenses. They also won SBs by lopsided margains. Some years they even finished 14-2, which isn't much worse than the 15-1 Bears.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Mike P

They were a great defense, but would anyone in their right minds pick Jim McMahon over Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms?

Great question, Mike; however did Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms come off of the bench, as a back-up, down by 3TD's, on MNF ~no less, and go 4 for 4 with the first three passes being TD's? The first of which was an on the money bomb to Willie Gault.

A cool cat that didn't finish his career strongly, but I will never fogedda bout that off the bench performance, against the Vikings????

No question Brady for my QB .

[good2hook]

ask me on the 4th.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

As far as defenses go,the league is different now. The NFL is a pass happy league now..You've got a better chance of seeing Britney Spears drop 20 pounds and resurrect her career than you do of seeing an under 200 point defense these days..How does anybody think the defenses of old (60's-80's) would fare today the way the league protects the QB? It's getting to the point today where a defender puts a fingernail on the QB and it's a personal foul...

never say never 2000 Ravens 165 pts, little different time but getting any points would be difficult against that d

[riverrat55]

They are the BEST team of this era(2000's)!!!
BEST team EVER???
Hard to say!!!
Different times and different rules for the game!!!

[ProfessorM]

not yet

[boot man]

Different teams, different eras, but no team has gone 19-0 and every team plays under the same rules each year.

To not have one off game in a season is admirable. (and the Dolphins barely played anyone with a winning record when they pulled the feat).

[The Dad Fisherman]

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[Raven]

lol

[BassDawg]

Nicely DONE, Raven!!!

[Raven]

but the credit goes to KEVIN

AKA The Dad Fisherman

[The Dad Fisherman]

oh No...I'm strictly a Cut and Paste guy

[Raven]

i just added to what was already there...just for fun because of the obvious question that started this thread....


because the answer is very plain to see as TDF demonstrated with the graphic he selected....


i just improved upon it.... a wee bit...

[wrikerjr]

nice demonstration dad!!!

Nicely done, you can not argue with that

[BassDawg]

.768

Are you sheetin' me! Far and away the winningest team of the winners .
Soooo, if/when the Pats do their THANG on the 3rd, won't that add like
another 100+ points to their %% and place them at some siiiick and ridiculous #, like

.881??

[wrikerjr]

bass dawg how did you do that math?

Is this the percentage for 2007 introduced. I have seen some people on other board challenge the validity of this chart, something about years utilized.

I just want to know how it was created and why some teams have years prior to their dynasty/after their dynasty included and other have only years in there dynasty?