Spider line on a spin reel...what are your thoughts

[Got Stripers]

I use 30/6 spiderwire, NOT spiderline and have had excellant luck with it. A couple things I think you need to take into account with any braid.

1. Make sure you either back with mono or use electrical tape to lock the first few turns on the spool. If you don't you can actually get the entire spool of braid turning on the spool, not fun and I learned that lesson the hard way.

2. As others have suggested don't over spool and make sure your roller bearings are working well.

3. I personally ALWAYS close my bail manually, then visually check to make sure the line isn't across the spool face. IMHO this is the most important thing you can do to eliminate loops/knots.

4. People are concerned about that fuzzy look some braids get, personally I don't give it another thought. I've found it makes little difference in line strength, at least with the spiderwire.

5. If you are concerned about the above, or abbrasion has become a problem, reverse the line. A spare spool on another rod/reel and the line is reversed when transferred.

6. Don't over tighten your drag, because 30# spiderwire probably breaks at well above 40. If it weren't for the knot weakness, braids could be rated considerable higher than they are now. Personally I use a Uni knot and have never had a problem.

7. Braids don't like rocks, so I'd suggest a 20-30 #flurocarbon leader, for protection, as a shock leader and for visibility reasons.

Good luck.

[Fishpart]

Mr. Sandman

I started out with Spiderwire Fusion on a spinner 30/17 I believe. I liked it, it fishes like mono with the feel of a braid. I have switched to conventionals and use Cortland Spectron and like it very much, but I wouldn't necessarily use it for spinning. The Fusion is a coated line and is a little stiff like mono, like you mentioned the coating does come off so you need to cut it back from time to time. I think where people experience trouble with braids on spinners is that they are limper than mono and knot up badly when they get some twist in them. I do know people who fish braids on spinners exclusively and love them, but as Slipknot said the roller seems to be the key.

[JeffH]

I've been using the stuff for five years and love it. I have also used four different brands and haven't had a problem with any of them. The one key I have found which will eliminate most of the knoting problems is to slightly underfill your spool.

[JohnR]

I'm just starting to use it now o the jury's still out for me (also relearning a spinning reel - they suck!)... I've got the 30/6 on a Stradic 4000 and when it's not knotting up it's OK but I've only got short time in on it. GS uses it faithfully and gets sweet fish on it...

[Clammer]

Sandman, I have one rod that I use it on, 85% of the time with the same plastic, I like the way it lays out when casting light plugs[spinning] Ialso have it on a small s/w baitcaster that I;ve done ok with, but usually use the spin G/S has it down good, he uses it all the time where I switch around////
BUT, I have a friend that fishes commercial, and in a special fishing condition would breakoff on the set. needless to say what he thinks//// My feeling is it depends on the kind of fishing, grat for some sucks for others, Good luck////

[Slipknot]

Specialist, I had trouble with whiplash on my baitrunners. The roller bearing is small in my opinion and if it's not spinning and lubed good, you will get line twist. Always reel under enough tension to allow the roller bearing to be freely spinning, or you could get what some people call wind knots.
I switched back to fireline on those reels and it's been fine. I use whiplash on my Neptune.

[TheSpecialist]

I have been using the whiplash in 50lb and I like it. It casts nice. My only gripe is that every once in a while it will wrap funny on a spinning reel. I have a bait runner so I use the free spool and walk off the line and then reel it up again. I think it may have something to do with the line roller but I am not sure.

[Patrick82]

I've tried the Spiderwire stuff and I don't care for it. Fusion, braid and supermono. The stuff was kinking up on me right off the spool before I put it on the reel! And why do they need so many different types? That's what puzzles me.

I love Fireline. The stuff rules. I had a few problems with it.

One thing I have noticed with all the superlines I've used, once you get a wind knot, they are darn near impossible to get out.

The next line I'm going to try is Whiplash on my 7000C3, which hopefully I get today or tomorrow. That's once I get the hang of it with Mono.

I also want to try Tuf-Line. The stuff looks pretty cool. Has a strand of dacron in it for superior knot strength. I'll give it a whirl.

[Mr. Sandman]

I have always used mono, but I have met some folks that praise this salt water spider line as amazing and use it to cast with. The 50# line is coated and they say it has a dia of 17# mono.

I am about to try one spool of it next week. (I doubt I will go 50 30 maybe....)but have any of you tried this stuff. I spoke to one other guy who I saw using it and he said he like it better then mono but the coating wears off and it fays so you need to trim off some from time to time. (I do that with mono because it nicks)

My biggest fear: it does not cast well in the cold.


any comments?

[Mr. Sandman]

Well, what I'm hearing is "I hate it, I love it and I am not sure yet"

I will say it did look odd on coiled on the spool, kind of like coiled rope not fishing line, (he was using "fusion" and said this is the best style to get for surf casting. He also said you just can't break it. They landed a 40 lb bass with it and when they got near the surfline another angler grabed the guys line, double wraped it around his arm and ran up the beach draging the fish out of the ocean onto and up the beach. (this is what he told me) I would never think of grabing my 25 lb YoZuri mono like that! I use "the- surf-the-bass-onto-the-beach-with-waves-method" to land a fish.

I have several spools for each real so I will load a spool with this stuff and give it a whirl I was just wondering what everyone thought. thanks.

[Mr. Sandman]

fishpart, thanks. I found that these "wind knots" are casued due the line going on the spool without much tension. (ie if I fish a small needle on a windy night, it might tend to knot up on casting once some twist is intorduced to the line) If I hace a 3.5 oz gibbs swimmer that is not a problem anymore. By reducing the amount of line on the spool (filling it 90% instead of 100%) helps a little.

I use to use a very limp mono from berkley that did cast well in cold weather and I even use to put this line lube on it as well every night after fishing and it would cast like no tomorrow and rarely wind knot, but it was very poor for fishing in, around and over rocks. It would nick up real fast. If the line were to just lay on the rocks and a wave came by, you would have to cut it off back to the spool it was knicked so bad, just one wave. If you were on a sandy beach it was fine. So I have like a half dozen spools with differnent line for different conditions. This fall I striped all the line off all my spools and put the same on everthing, yozuri. So I feel the Yozuri is in the middle of the road, it is a little stiffer and does wind knot but I de-spool some line and I can get by. But I am not a huge fan of this product either. I was hoping these new super lines might solve all the line problems but perhaps not.

[Billyboy]

First tried spiderwire codfishing. Had 60 or 80lb loaded on a 330 GTI. Crow-barred codfish all day long on the Helen-H and never lost a rig or a jig. Made me a believer. That was 3 years ago this past march. Came home and said I will try it on my spinners for bass and fluke. Put 20lb on and never turned back. Never had a problem with windknots, tying knots with it or anything. I fish alot out of a boat. Made fluking even better than it was already. No problem holding bottom with moon tides. Used it last year at Napatree casting eels at night. Just make sure you do a quick check to make sure bail is closed and line is going on spool not on the drag set. All reels backed with mono. I haven't gone to anything else yet because I haven't had any problems with it. Converted my father and 2 friends to it.

Bill

[10x10]

I don't like it.It's too strong and you can't get a feel for how hard your pulling.Manufacturers are so way off when they call it 30 pound or 40 or whatever.It's way past that for breaking point.It breaks at times for no apparent reason as well.At least that power pro stuff does.I think a lot of rods and reels and terminal tackle gets broken with that braid stuff.You should never fish a line that exceeds the deadlift capabilities of your rod.Some guys have even bent they're reel pulling real hard on a fish or a snag or something.
It's easy to straighten out your hook too.