vice or vercer ???

[stiff tip]

aftre 30 yrs of fishing wire or lead core i,m at a lost. only under certain cond. do i need just one rod. example....monomoy rips almost only wire .. and jigs, not lead core and jigs . but when i fish the elis isl. its tube and lead.or any shallow water spot like scorton ldg. in 20 to 35 ft ..but move to the fingers its all wire.for me , how about u..do u switch rigs around at diff spots ....and why can,t u get away w/ one outfit . also what is the sink rate of 50lb wire over 45lb lead core. what sinks faster w/ less line out.....why ...why ... why ...

[ProfessorM]

Most use lead at the fingers too as most of those fish are in the upper water column. Only use wire for spoons and a custom rod. Only once in a while if I get frustrated do I use wire for tubes out there. I think sink rates have so many variables, tide speed, ability of boat to go slow,wind, current direction, that every boat is different. I would think wire will sink deeper as it has less resistance due to dia. and smoothness of wire to dacron encrusted lead. Plus as I am sure you will agree it is just more fun with lead compared to wire as far as the fight goes. Does suck with lead though when a bluefish chomps you line in half at 4 colors with your favorite tube on the lost end.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

aftre 30 yrs of fishing wire or lead core i,m at a lost. only under certain cond. do i need just one rod. example....monomoy rips almost only wire .. and jigs, not lead core and jigs . but when i fish the elis isl. its tube and lead.or any shallow water spot like scorton ldg. in 20 to 35 ft ..but move to the fingers its all wire.for me , how about u..do u switch rigs around at diff spots ....and why can,t u get away w/ one outfit . also what is the sink rate of 50lb wire over 45lb lead core. what sinks faster w/ less line out.....why ...why ... why ...

If you are jigging for fun, 30 lb wire and a jigmaster or 300 series Newell is the way to go. 50 lb wire and a 4/0's are a joke unless you are fishing Sow and Pigs. Braid and a heavier jig will work as well.

[JohnnyD]

Sorry to grave-dig but I'm looking to get a rod/reel that can dual-purpose jig or troll. I loathe wire.

I was hoping to go with a braid setup that can troll tube/worm, swimmers and jig with. I know braid isn't idea - wire is better for jigging, leadcore better for tube/worm - but I'd rather have one rod/reel that is slightly less than perfect for all three, than need to have separate setups for each application.

I prefer to be as minimalistic and simple as possible.

Any suggestions on rod-type/length and a reel to match up?

[Rip Runner]

Wire works just fine for tubes even in skinnier water like 14 to 20 feet deep. It all depends on how much wire you use as well as the weight of the tube, speed, current etc...I prefer lead in shallower water, but wire will work.

[Raven]

this should be interesting

[MAKAI]

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;681371]Sorry to grave-dig but I'm looking to get a rod/reel that can dual-purpose jig or troll. I loathe wire.


I prefer to be as minimalistic and simple as possible.

Ahem . . . . . man is that a hanging curveball about to be hit into the screen. . . .

[JohnnyD]

[QUOTE=MAKAI;681704]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Sorry to grave-dig but I'm looking to get a rod/reel that can dual-purpose jig or troll. I loathe wire.


I prefer to be as minimalistic and simple as possible.

Ahem . . . . . man is that a hanging curveball about to be hit into the screen. . . .

Just because you're a big tough guy doesn't mean you can pick on us little guys.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

Ahem . . . . . man is that a hanging curveball about to be hit into the screen. . . .

i think they call that a floater ....

[ProfessorM]

That is why I like a simple reel like a jigmaster you can change out the spool to something else like braid , wire , or lead in a few min. although the reels are so cheap I just buy a few and set them up to do one thing.. I use lead for tubing with a jigmaster, with steel spools. For wire I use a 112H with a steel spool, spoons and jigging, although I don't jig too much and I suck at it. I don't like the 113's as I find them heavy for a small guy like me and jigging them gets heavy, quickly. Most use the 113's and some of the new reels out the last decade but the jigmasters will serve you good and not break the bank. Just make sure your rod guides can handle wire. Penn slammer rods are adaquate. I got rods made by CMS over a decade ago and they are still going strong. Good luck and this is only one persons opinion.

[Sweetwater]

I've been using both wire and lead core for many years.

When jigging 4.5-6 oz jigs, wire is essential to get near the bottom in the 30-45 feet I normally fish. Lead core just can't compete.

I like lead core for spoons and especially for tube 'n worm since I feel the running line is more flexible and the action on the lure is better. When jigging, the fisherman imparts the action so I'm less concerned about that with wire.

In years past, I kept a pair of wire rods (with Penn 113Hs) and a pair lead core rods (with Penn 49's) on board at all times. But now that I'm fishing more for tuna and doing a lot of mixed bass/tuna trips I need to have my 80lb standup tuna gear on board, so either the wire or the lead-core set ups must go. So after much consideration, the wire stays...the lead stays home (with apologies to JohnnyD who hates wire) .

[JohnnyD]

Sweets, you know I hate that stuff but it is definitely a necessary evil at times. The position we run into when we do the mixed tuna/bass trips is just one reason why I'm prodding the waters on this.

Wire is cumbersome and an all out pain in the ass. A lot of our trips involve jigging and trolling for bass, but I'd like to get away from using my spinning rod when we troll since we don't have room on the boat for the leadcore rods.

At the very worst, if I try out a rig with braid and it doesn't work, I'll have a good trolling rod for when I get a yak.

I'm still interested in a rig that might work.

[striperman36]

Check out the T-Man rigs, he uses a changeable system with egg sinkers with braid to make use of a single rig but getting the trolliing use like a wire/lead solution.
I haven't tried it, but it should come down to weight to get a certain depth at a certain boat speed.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Check out the T-Man rigs, he uses a changeable system with egg sinkers with braid to make use of a single rig but getting the trolliing use like a wire/lead solution.
I haven't tried it, but it should come down to weight to get a certain depth at a certain boat speed.

I use them on the Yak, actually I made a bunch... they work VERY well.

[JohnnyD]

Thanks striperman. What do they look like?

Edit: nevermind, SWE has them. They look interesting. Guess my only concern would be a bluefish mistaking it for a baitfish.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Thanks striperman. What do they look like?

Edit: nevermind, SWE has them. They look interesting. Guess my only concern would be a bluefish mistaking it for a baitfish.

that could be an issue, but it is also very similar to drails used elsewhere.
You could use either method and get the depth you need. you'd need a leader 6' or so, so you would be hand wrangling towards the end though. just MO.

[JohnnyD]

Sounds good.

Rod and reel suggestions?