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11-02-2008, 01:36 PM
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Is Obama truly an idiot?
Or just another snake in the grass politician? Seriously, take a look. First there was reverend Wright and his racist insane ramblings of which Obama listened to and subscribed to for 20 years. I mean this guy was a family friend, married he and his wife and baptised his kids etc. He then tries to claim he never heard any of the much publicized audio clips we all heard, attempts to play 'mickey the dunce' until the heat was too much, he then denounces some of the good reverends preaching as hateful and devisive. If he sat for 20 years in this church and never heard the hate or vitriol, is he going to 'get it' when sitting down with insane world leaders like Chavez etc?
Then there was the association with William Ayers that everybody is aware of (besides Obama). For a while Obama was saying he had never met/associated with Ayers, then as details surface about a closer relationship and that Obama announced his intent to run for the Senate at Ayers house... he began to 'remember' that they ran in the same politcal circles in Chicago.
Now we have his aunt. The great inspirational Onyango, who Obama wrote about in his book. This great woman who he admired so much for her caring and her strength, whom he learned so many life lessons. A woman who was at his 2005 swearing in in Chicago and has (illegally) donated $260 to his campaign. We now come to find out she is living in the projects in Southie more or less for free and she is an illegal alien who was ordered (and refused) to leave the country by an immigration judge. And he didn't know?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27481680/
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15161.html
I mean did he really not know? Do any of you not know that your favorite aunt is an illegal alien? Even if he didn't know, shouldn't have he known???
The guy just seems like a dope. Even if he is being honest, then his lack of general awareness and common sense is astounding. |
The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
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11-02-2008, 06:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronko
Or just another snake in the grass politician? Seriously, take a look. First there was reverend Wright and his racist insane ramblings of which Obama listened to and subscribed to for 20 years. I mean this guy was a family friend, married he and his wife and baptised his kids etc. He then tries to claim he never heard any of the much publicized audio clips we all heard, attempts to play 'mickey the dunce' until the heat was too much, he then denounces some of the good reverends preaching as hateful and devisive. If he sat for 20 years in this church and never heard the hate or vitriol, is he going to 'get it' when sitting down with insane world leaders like Chavez etc?
Then there was the association with William Ayers that everybody is aware of (besides Obama). For a while Obama was saying he had never met/associated with Ayers, then as details surface about a closer relationship and that Obama announced his intent to run for the Senate at Ayers house... he began to 'remember' that they ran in the same politcal circles in Chicago.
Now we have his aunt. The great inspirational Onyango, who Obama wrote about in his book. This great woman who he admired so much for her caring and her strength, whom he learned so many life lessons. A woman who was at his 2005 swearing in in Chicago and has (illegally) donated $260 to his campaign. We now come to find out she is living in the projects in Southie more or less for free and she is an illegal alien who was ordered (and refused) to leave the country by an immigration judge. And he didn't know?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27481680/
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15161.html
I mean did he really not know? Do any of you not know that your favorite aunt is an illegal alien? Even if he didn't know, shouldn't have he known???
The guy just seems like a dope. Even if he is being honest, then his lack of general awareness and common sense is astounding. |
Beyond believe. The plot thickens. |
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11-02-2008, 06:52 PM
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if you lived with your dad until you were 2 and then spent one month of your life with him when you were a teen, would you be expected to keep tabs on everyone on that side of the family?
I wouldnt.
perhaps we can discuss how Mccain cheated on his wife?
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11-02-2008, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
perhaps we can discuss how Mccain cheated on his wife?
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Which one? |
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11-02-2008, 07:56 PM
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My honest assessment of the issues you mentioned.
1) The aunt - it's quite reasonable to believe he didn't know her status wasn't legal. I'm basing this on the notion that had she asked him to help her, he was in a position to get it done, and that if she didn't want to ask for help it's probably the last thing she would have ever told him. Sure it's possible he knew, but without any proof I don't think you have anything to base this on.
2) Ayers - sure he downplayed his association which seems the obvious move. I've read a ton into this issue and by my reconing it's a BS argument. He only had association with Ayers when he was a somewhat mainstream member of the Chicago community. They lectured at the same school and republican associates who were there at the time say they don't believe Obama was ever influenced by the man. The board they shared was founded by a former Reagan associate and included bi-partisan members.
This is one hardcore strawman BS nothing to see issue.
3) Wright - I've blabbed on a length about this issue so I won't bother to repeat myself, aside from noting that I think it's the most substantial issue of the bunch. That being said, I don't think it's a showstopper considering the context (i.e. read old threads).
I do think this issue is difficult for a lot of regular white people to understand. Black guy trying to find himself, working on the south side of Chicago, big black church where all the power is...you do the math.
-spence
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11-02-2008, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
if you lived with your dad until you were 2 and then spent one month of your life with him when you were a teen, would you be expected to keep tabs on everyone on that side of the family?
I wouldnt.
perhaps we can discuss how Mccain cheated on his wife?
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Might be the lamest responsive to a political thread in the histoy of this forum, congrats. |
The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
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11-02-2008, 09:14 PM
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You guys must all live in glass houses??  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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11-02-2008, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bronko
Might be the lamest responsive to a political thread in the histoy of this forum, congrats.
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how so? Seems like perfect logic to me  |
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11-02-2008, 09:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebe
how so? Seems like perfect logic to me |
 A tad mean spirited on my part. Aplologies. |
The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
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11-02-2008, 11:09 PM
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got gas?
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I take either of these guys over Bush. In fact I'll take Ceasar Chavez from Venezuala over him.
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11-02-2008, 11:29 PM
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McCain cheating is a problem with you but Obama has the King adulterer Clinton speaking on his behalf tonight and you have no problem with that??? Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman......oh no, wait a minute......maybe I did"???!!!!  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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11-03-2008, 07:12 AM
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lobster = striper bait
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFish
McCain cheating is a problem with you but Obama has the King adulterer Clinton speaking on his behalf tonight and you have no problem with that???
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No because its Clinton, not Obama.
Lets keep with reality here shall we? |
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11-03-2008, 08:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFish
Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman......oh no, wait a minute......maybe I did"???!!!! |
Eatin' ain't Cheatin'  (This is where my wife smacks me upside the head)
I said it about Clinton and I'll say it about McCain....Ain't Nobody's business But his, his wife, and the woman he was fooling around with. Don't Care. Doesn't Matter.
and as far as Obama's Aunt...you can't pick your family. I know that both me and my wife have some real doozies in our family trees. You could pick a side and start a reality TV show. |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-03-2008, 08:43 AM
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Exactly.
I have two aunts on a side of my family that I wouldn't know if they were selling crack or running for congress.
And no republican president ever got his pole washed? Clinton got caught.
thats the only difference!
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-03-2008, 08:49 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Like a ball player....I only care what he does between the lines/on the ice/ on the court or on the field! Thats the reality!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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11-03-2008, 08:58 AM
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In past elections, the Carl Rove Playbook and the politics of personal destruction worked very well.
However, you can't run the same strategy again and again and expect the competition not to find holes in it. That's what has happened here: the same old dirty politics has been dusted off and sent out, only this time it does not resonate with the electorate. Obama may have been beatable, but not by negative association.
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11-04-2008, 03:38 PM
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What the heck is Hazbola and towelbahn?
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Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
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11-04-2008, 04:52 PM
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I did not say that associations did not matter - I said that it was a tired strategy and the wrong strategy to beat Obama.
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11-14-2008, 09:13 PM
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if he hires Hilary Clinton
to be secretary of state over Bill Richardson
than yes....he's a total idiot...
i mean look at Bill R and he almost looks like an ARAB
with that little goatee he's sportin lately....
Hilary would only infuriate the Arabs to no end...
(or any other world leader and or diplomat)
unless that's Baraks true intention to sick Hilary on them 
(red rover,red rover send Hilary over)
but at the moment i am very scared
of the havoc she'd create in that position... BIGTIME  |
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11-14-2008, 09:18 PM
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Hill won't be pushing our God over theirs. Remember that the World loved the Clintons, Bushes, not so much. Bill R is a good man, but not as S of S.
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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11-14-2008, 09:27 PM
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good point
i think that when Bill Richardson demanded that all information relating to Roswell and the cover up
be turned over to the public in a full disclosure
he pissed off the wrong people..... 
Hillary "is" a Bulldog..... and is undoubtedly as tough
a negotiator as the Job requires.... it's just that
she's been known to power trip a bit to much... |
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11-04-2008, 04:45 PM
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towelbahn woud be the Rhode Island-ese pronunciation for the discount bath store Towel Barn
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making s-b.com a kinder, gentler place for all 
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11-15-2008, 07:09 AM
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BHO's true motive and strategy in putting Hillary on his team is far too transparent for the Clintons to fall for.
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The beatings will continue until morale improves
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11-15-2008, 07:38 AM
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i misogynistically oppose Hilary Clinton's appointment to Secretary of State...
Bill Richardson is showing interest... now,
i'm hoping he gets it....
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11-15-2008, 08:05 AM
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I think she would be a smart pick. She'll give Obama cover on centrist or more hardline policy, she's respected abroad and very tough.
-spence
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11-15-2008, 09:12 AM
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Arabs don't respect no broads 
dissing Condy Rice proved that out |
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11-15-2008, 09:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
Arabs don't respect no broads
dissing Condy Rice proved that out |
I remember Putin dissing Rice but not any arabs.
People will respect confidence and power, she certainly has that.
-spence |
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11-15-2008, 07:36 AM
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All I can say is LEWINSKIES FOR ALL
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11-15-2008, 02:17 PM
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